Comments for Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org Stuff they don't talk about in Sunday School Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:23:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 Comment on Friendly Atheist Finds Value in Book of Mormon by Jettboy http://www.mormonheretic.org/2012/02/05/friendly-atheist-finds-value-in-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-13524 Jettboy Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:23:56 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=1886#comment-13524 "don’t you still see that as an interesting perspective, at least compared to those who would rather dismiss the book completely?" Only once have I been impressed with a non-Mormon look at the Book of Mormon, and it was examining the Johanine context of 3rd Nephi that makes sense even to a believer such as myself. The rest of the time, including this one, the non-Mormons have been essentially dismissing the book completely no matter how seriously they take it. The message I get from the above? God doesn't exist and religion is a bunch of bull, but isn't what is used cute (pat, pat). Its condescending. “don’t you still see that as an interesting perspective, at least compared to those who would rather dismiss the book completely?”

Only once have I been impressed with a non-Mormon look at the Book of Mormon, and it was examining the Johanine context of 3rd Nephi that makes sense even to a believer such as myself. The rest of the time, including this one, the non-Mormons have been essentially dismissing the book completely no matter how seriously they take it. The message I get from the above? God doesn’t exist and religion is a bunch of bull, but isn’t what is used cute (pat, pat). Its condescending.

]]> Comment on Friendly Atheist Finds Value in Book of Mormon by Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2012/02/05/friendly-atheist-finds-value-in-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-13518 Mormon Heretic Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:45:08 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=1886#comment-13518 Jettboy, thanks for coming! Of course Price "ignores the importance of seeing it as genuine, as in exactly what it says it is." He's not a believer like we are. But even if you want to call it "only a philosophy", don't you still see that as an interesting perspective, at least compared to those who would rather dismiss the book completely? Jettboy, thanks for coming! Of course Price “ignores the importance of seeing it as genuine, as in exactly what it says it is.” He’s not a believer like we are. But even if you want to call it “only a philosophy”, don’t you still see that as an interesting perspective, at least compared to those who would rather dismiss the book completely?

]]> Comment on Friendly Atheist Finds Value in Book of Mormon by Jettboy http://www.mormonheretic.org/2012/02/05/friendly-atheist-finds-value-in-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-13517 Jettboy Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:21:20 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=1886#comment-13517 The Book of Mormon is an ancient scripture, and so is the books of the Bible. Psuedopogrypha is a nice name for liars! What bothers me greatly about the kind of viewpoints expressed here is it totally ignores the importance of seeing it as genuine, as in exactly what it says it is. Mormonism is a fundamentalist religion. Its theology makes no sense if its seen as post-modern "pios fraud." Doesn't matter how interesting or informative. A fraud is a fraud. Otherwise, don't call it a religion. Essentially without the truth claims a religion is only a philosophy, and poor one at that. The Book of Mormon is an ancient scripture, and so is the books of the Bible. Psuedopogrypha is a nice name for liars! What bothers me greatly about the kind of viewpoints expressed here is it totally ignores the importance of seeing it as genuine, as in exactly what it says it is. Mormonism is a fundamentalist religion. Its theology makes no sense if its seen as post-modern “pios fraud.” Doesn’t matter how interesting or informative. A fraud is a fraud. Otherwise, don’t call it a religion. Essentially without the truth claims a religion is only a philosophy, and poor one at that.

]]> Comment on Friendly Atheist Finds Value in Book of Mormon by Looking at the BoM as Pseudepigrapha | Wheat and Tares http://www.mormonheretic.org/2012/02/05/friendly-atheist-finds-value-in-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-13516 Looking at the BoM as Pseudepigrapha | Wheat and Tares Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:10:05 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=1886#comment-13516 [...] doesn’t believe in the divinity of the book, but still finds value in the Book of Mormon.  I transcribed the entire interview at my website, but thought I would give some excerpts from the interview here and see your [...] [...] doesn’t believe in the divinity of the book, but still finds value in the Book of Mormon.  I transcribed the entire interview at my website, but thought I would give some excerpts from the interview here and see your [...]

]]> Comment on The Documentary Hypothesis by Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/19/the-documentary-hypothesis/comment-page-2/#comment-13513 Mormon Heretic Mon, 06 Feb 2012 03:23:44 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=644#comment-13513 Thanks for the notes Jim. I need to get back to my study of the Old Testament. I've been involved in more recent Mormon history lately. Thanks for the notes Jim. I need to get back to my study of the Old Testament. I’ve been involved in more recent Mormon history lately.

]]> Comment on The Documentary Hypothesis by Jim http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/19/the-documentary-hypothesis/comment-page-2/#comment-13511 Jim Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:28:12 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=644#comment-13511 Hi guys, sorry to post on an old area. But I've been studying documentary hypothesis and redactor theory ever since I read Bloom & Rosenberg back in the mid-1990s. It is not 'speculation' on Bloom's part when he locates the Book of J in Solomon's time, but instead an effort to trace the literary roots of the book. Bloom never pretends to be an archaeologist or a historian of ancient Hebrew. But he does know how to trace patterns of literary influence. He insists that there is not a time period likely to support stories like those in the Book of J with anything like the time period responsible for the stories of David & Solomon. His arguments about the time period of Shakespeare being necessary to support the works of Shakespeare are an example of his type of argument. There is often a preference among LDS scholars for 'archaeology' or other types of empirical results over the literary. The way Bloom's book favors the study of narrative should be the eye-opener for LDS students of the Old Testament. Hi guys, sorry to post on an old area. But I’ve been studying documentary hypothesis and redactor theory ever since I read Bloom & Rosenberg back in the mid-1990s. It is not ‘speculation’ on Bloom’s part when he locates the Book of J in Solomon’s time, but instead an effort to trace the literary roots of the book. Bloom never pretends to be an archaeologist or a historian of ancient Hebrew. But he does know how to trace patterns of literary influence. He insists that there is not a time period likely to support stories like those in the Book of J with anything like the time period responsible for the stories of David & Solomon. His arguments about the time period of Shakespeare being necessary to support the works of Shakespeare are an example of his type of argument. There is often a preference among LDS scholars for ‘archaeology’ or other types of empirical results over the literary. The way Bloom’s book favors the study of narrative should be the eye-opener for LDS students of the Old Testament.

]]> Comment on Scholarship History of the Priesthood Ban by Mitt Romney & The Mormons: Will He Come Clean on the Curse of Cain Doctrine? - Jack & Jill Politics http://www.mormonheretic.org/2011/04/02/scholarship-history-of-the-priesthood-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-13498 Mitt Romney & The Mormons: Will He Come Clean on the Curse of Cain Doctrine? - Jack & Jill Politics Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:08:26 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=1529#comment-13498 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> Comment on 17 Miracles: The Faithful and Foolhardy Willie Handcart Company by MH http://www.mormonheretic.org/2011/06/08/17-miracles-the-faithful-and-foolhardy-willie-handcart-company/comment-page-1/#comment-13494 MH Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:47:55 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=1642#comment-13494 C Wilcox, can you provide more details here? How did the musical provide "more insight, accuracy and heart than this film"? (I haven't seen the musical, but I am quite skeptical of your comment without any details. C Wilcox, can you provide more details here? How did the musical provide “more insight, accuracy and heart than this film”? (I haven’t seen the musical, but I am quite skeptical of your comment without any details.

]]> Comment on 17 Miracles: The Faithful and Foolhardy Willie Handcart Company by C. Wilcox http://www.mormonheretic.org/2011/06/08/17-miracles-the-faithful-and-foolhardy-willie-handcart-company/comment-page-1/#comment-13493 C. Wilcox Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:01:31 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=1642#comment-13493 The Musical version of these stories-Trail of Dreams-produced in aprox 1997, and performed in Utah during the Sesquicentennial celebration year, offered more insight, accuracy and heart than this film. I appreciated and enjoyed the film, but missed seeing some valuable parts. The incredible soundtrack from the play is still available and provides more info. about the characters and statistics of these people & their journey. The Musical version of these stories-Trail of Dreams-produced in aprox 1997, and performed in Utah during the Sesquicentennial celebration year, offered more insight, accuracy and heart than this film. I appreciated and enjoyed the film, but missed seeing some valuable parts. The incredible soundtrack from the play is still available and provides more info. about the characters and statistics of these people & their journey.

]]> Comment on Jana Riess: Truth Doesn’t have to be Empirical by Boomerang Back to Religion | Wheat and Tares http://www.mormonheretic.org/2012/01/22/jana-reiss-truth-doesnt-have-to-be-empirical/comment-page-1/#comment-13471 Boomerang Back to Religion | Wheat and Tares Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:10:21 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=1876#comment-13471 [...] to keep their children away from religion.  The quote below corresponds immediately after their conversation that I transcribed previously. John, “Yeah, right.  Ok in this last part of the segment I am just going to bring it back to [...] [...] to keep their children away from religion.  The quote below corresponds immediately after their conversation that I transcribed previously. John, “Yeah, right.  Ok in this last part of the segment I am just going to bring it back to [...]

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