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		<title>Book of Mormon on the Baja</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I think  of the Baja California Peninsula, I think of the Baja 1000 off-road race where people take lots of vehicles and cross the deserts in all sorts of vehicles.  However, the father-son team of David and Lynn Rosenvall believe the Baja Peninsula (south of California in Mexico&#8211;its most famous city you may recognize [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I think  of the Baja California Peninsula, I think of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baja_1000" target="_blank">Baja 1000 off-road race</a> where people take lots of vehicles and cross the deserts in all sorts of vehicles.  However, the father-son team of David and Lynn Rosenvall believe the Baja Peninsula (south of California in Mexico&#8211;its most famous city you may recognize is Tijuana) could be the location of Book of Mormon lands.  I&#8217;ve been promising to do a post on this theory, and it is time to review it in more detail.</p>
<p><span id="more-982"></span>This review should not be considered comprehensive.  I have reviewed their 60 page pdf file called &#8220;<a href="http://www.achoiceland.com/book_of_mormon_geography/Approach.pdf" target="_blank">An Approach to Book of Mormon Geography</a>&#8220;.  Since I downloaded and read a copy of this article, they have added a few more articles found on their <a href="http://www.achoiceland.com/geography">Geography page</a>, but I have not had time to review these.  I will invite David and Lynn to stop by and answer questions about their theory.</p>
<p>I have reviewed a few other theories in the past.  I reviewed BOMC&#8217;s <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/06/03/ny-geography-part-5/">Great Lakes Theory</a>, Ralph Olsen&#8217;s <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/18/my-first-scoop-the-unpublished-malay-theory/">Malay Theory</a>, and Venice Priddis&#8217; <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/05/21/a-south-american-model-for-the-book-of-mormon/">South American Setting</a>.  My purpose in reviewing theories is to provide constructive criticism.  Some people have very thin skin, and I try to be charitable, providing both pros and cons to a theory.  I want someone&#8217;s theory to be right, so it is imperative to weigh the strengths and weaknesses of a theory.  I claim no allegiance to any theory&#8211;it&#8217;s just a topic I love to discuss.  I still plan to review two of the bigger heavyweights: <a href="http://www.bmaf.org/node/201" target="_blank">Sorenson&#8217;s Theory</a>, and <a href="http://bookofmormonevidence.org/" target="_blank">Meldrum&#8217;s Theory</a>.  Additionally, Theodore Brandley&#8217;s <a href="http://brandley.poulsenll.org/" target="_blank">North American Theory</a>, and Garth Norman&#8217;s <a href="http://www.ancientamerica.org/library/media/HTML/7hvlmli5/book%20of%20mormon%20map.htm">MesoAmerican Theory</a> are also future topics I plan to post on (lest anyone think I was running out of ideas.)  (Norman and Sorenson overlap quite a bit, but there are some important differences.)</p>
<p>Lynn Rosenvall is a geography professor at the University of Cardston, and received his PhD in geography from Cal-Berkeley.  His son David has an MBA from BYU and is Chief Technological Officer of Imergent Inc. (StoresOnline.com).  They&#8217;ve put together an impressive array of satellite maps using Google maps for their theory.  The Website dedicated to the theory is called <a href="http://www.achoiceland.com/home" target="_blank">A Choice Land</a>.  I printed a copy of the Theory from Feb 2009&#8211;the current version on the website is from March 2009.  I&#8217;m not sure how long it has been published, but as I understand it, the theory is pretty new.</p>
<p><strong>Strengths</strong></p>
<p>I guess the first striking feature to me about this theory is the fact that the Peninsula is much more of a north-south orientation than Sorenson&#8217;s MesoAmerican theory.  Another strength of Baja is that the &#8220;narrow neck of land&#8221; is actually narrow&#8211;Sorenson&#8217;s narrow neck isn&#8217;t nearly as narrow.  Another bonus is the fact that the Baja Peninsula is much closer to the generally accepted Book of Mormon locations than say <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/09/a-radically-different-book-of-mormon-geography-theory/">the Malay Theory</a>.</p>
<p>In the overview article, the Rosenvalls go into great detail on showing how similar the climate of Baja California is to the Mediterranean.  Nephi says he brought seeds with him to the New World, and these seeds grew.  It is important for the climates to be similar.  (Another <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/05/21/a-south-american-model-for-the-book-of-mormon/">theory I reviewed shows Chile/Peru</a> have Mediterranean climates as well.)  I think this is an important aspect of their theory.  The Rosenvalls point out that many of the fruits and vegetables we eat in America are grown on the Baja Peninsula.</p>
<p>The Rosenvalls seem to follow Sorenson&#8217;s methodology for calculating distances.  I view this as one of Sorenson&#8217;s greatest contributions to Book of Mormon research, and I&#8217;m glad to see that the Rosenvalls seem to follow a similar method for calculating distances.  It is pretty apparent to me that the Book of Mormon lands are much smaller than the hemispheric models that early Mormons (and many lay members) thought about the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>The Rosenvalls make a case that the Uto-Aztecan language bears similarities to Hebrew.  I think this is both a strength and a weakness, but I&#8217;m putting this in the strength section.  Frankly, I think the Rosenvalls should really expand on this point.  I note that there is more information in the new PDF than the one I downloaded last year, but I think it should be expanded upon further.  This has the potential to be a big help with their theory.</p>
<p><strong>Weaknesses</strong></p>
<p>Since I mentioned languages, I ought to explain weaknesses as well.  While these language families are in the Southwestern US and mainland Mexico, I don&#8217;t believe there is evidence that Indians on the Baja Peninsula spoke in one of these language dialects.  Perhaps they traveled off the Baja Peninsula, but these ties need to be strengthened to really take advantage of this information.  Even if there are similarities between Uto-Aztecan languages, I&#8217;m not aware of any DNA evidence linking Uto-Aztecan tribes to the Mediterranean, which is another problem.</p>
<p>While I understand this is an introduction to the theory, there are many other aspects of Book of Mormon that are merely touched on, or completely missing.  The theory discusses flora and fauna extensively, but doesn&#8217;t discuss wheat, barley, or silk.  Animals aren&#8217;t mentioned either, such as the elephants or animals mentioned in the Book of Mormon.  What is the best candidate for cureloms and cumons?  Is there evidence for sheep, horses, or cows?</p>
<p>Additionally, does the archaeology date to Book of Mormon times?  Is there evidence that chariots existed?  Have swords, cimitars, or other weapons been found?  I will say as a general rule, that most North, Central, or South American theories cannot find any evidence archaeologically for many of the weapons mentioned in the Book of Mormon.  For a theory to really stand out, such evidence needs to be found.</p>
<p>Sorenson has found a sharp weapon that he is calling a sword: sharp obsidian triangular blades attached to a wooden club, but the Book of Mormon says the swords rusted, so however sharp and lethal Sorenson&#8217;s obsidian/wood weapon is, it certainly wont rust.  This type of evidence needs to be accounted for by any theory, and the lack of mention of these problematic parts of the Book of Mormon needs to be addressed in the overview.</p>
<p><strong>Warfare</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve come across Morgan Deane, and I hope to invite him to participate in this discussion.  Morgan has his own site called <a href="http://mormonwar.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Warfare and the Book of Mormon</a>.  Morgan has a Masters Degree in History, and has presented papers on Napoleonic warfare and published papers about Asian,  Napoleonic and Book of Mormon Warfare.  Since the Rosenvalls included information about battles (roughly pages 36-50), I&#8217;d like to see what Morgan thinks of Baja geography in relation to some of these battles.  I will defer to him completely as to whether this is a strength or a weakness.  (Morgan, I&#8217;m also curious for you to comment on my <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/04/11/questions-about-the-exodus/">previous post about the Exodus</a>&#8211;I discuss Egyptian chariots, and wonder if you might comment on some of the warfare mentioned in that theory as well.)</p>
<p>So, what do you think of this Baja Theory?</p>
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		<title>Foundations of Book of Mormon Archaeology</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been enjoying Terryl Givens book, By the Hand of Mormon.  He has a positive view of Mormon scholarship, and goes into detail of both literary and archaeological scholarship. Wikipedia has some interesting information on Givens:
His second book, By the Hand of Mormon, is seen as his most important contribution to Mormon studies to date [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been enjoying Terryl Givens book, <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/890236.By_the_Hand_of_Mormon_The_American_Scripture_that_Launched_a_New_World_Religion" target="_blank">By the Hand of Mormon</a>.  He has a positive view of Mormon scholarship, and goes into detail of both literary and archaeological scholarship. Wikipedia has some interesting information on Givens:</p>
<blockquote><p>His second book, <em>By the Hand of Mormon</em>, is seen as his most important contribution to Mormon studies to date because it is the first academic survey of the significance of the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a> to believer and skeptic alike to be published by a major academic press (Oxford University Press). In it, Givens argues that the Book of Mormon has been important primarily for its existence and extra-textual historical claims rather than for its contents. Givens also makes a case for what he calls “dialogic revelation” as a novel contribution of the Book of Mormon. In current projects, he seems to be moving in the direction of broader engagement with religious themes across time and the western religious and philosophical traditions.</p>
<h2>Critical response</h2>
<p><span id="more-909"></span>General critical response to Givens work has been favorable from fellow scholars like <a title="Jan Shipps" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Shipps">Jan Shipps</a>, <a title="Richard Bushman" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bushman">Richard Bushman</a>, and <a title="Harold Bloom" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Bloom">Harold Bloom</a>. The New York Times referred to his work as “provocative”<sup id="cite_ref-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terryl_Givens#cite_note-0">[1]</a></sup> and Harper’s praised him for being “fair-minded and unbiased.”<sup id="cite_ref-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terryl_Givens#cite_note-1">[2]</a></sup> Some critics, however, have faulted him for what they see as an apologetic bent. Givens is a practicing <a title="Mormon" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon">Mormon</a> who served as <a title="Bishop" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop">bishop</a> in a local congregation for some years.</p></blockquote>
<p>Givens seems to admit that literary evidence is a bit more compelling than archaeological evidence.  As a professor of literature and religion at the <a title="University of Richmond" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Richmond">University of Richmond</a>, he may have a bias there, but I think he is right.  I&#8217;m more interested in the archaeology, so I want to talk about that first.  (I plan a few posts on Givens.)  So, let&#8217;s talk about archaeology.  From page 112,</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>The New World Archaeological Foundation</strong></p>
<p>New winds began to blow in 1945, when the new president of Brigham Young University created a chair of archaeology and filled the post with M. Wells Jakeman, one of the first Mormons formally trained as an archaeologist.&lt;sup&gt;80&lt;/sup&gt;  Three years later, the new Department of Archaeology sponsored its first field work in southeastern Mexico.  Then, in the 1950s, an amateur scholar named Thomas Ferguson (present on that first 1948 dig) tried to nudge the church further into a new era of engagement with Book of Mormon archaeology.  Until now, church leaders and intellectuals from Joseph Smith to B.H. Roberts had waited upon the external evidence for the Book of Mormon as it gradually materialized&#8211;or, in some cases, failed to materialize.  Ferguson advocated vigorous effforts to uncover dramatic proof he was sure could be found.</p>
<p>&#8230;[page 113]</p>
<p>Overconfident he may have been.  But Alfred V. Kidder, a leading American archaeologist and past head of archaeology work for the Carnegie Institution of Washington, reviewed the copy that Ferguson sent him and gave teh young enthusiast encouragement.  More importantly, he helped Ferguson draft a proposal in April of 1951 asking hte church to fund an ambitious project of archaeological investigations, aiming to solve &#8220;the paramount problem of origins of the great civilizations of Middle America.&#8221;&lt;sup&gt;82&lt;/sup&gt;  Several months later, the church denied the request for the five-year, $150,000 plan.&lt;sup&gt;83&lt;/sup&gt;</p>
<p>Undeterred, by June of 1952 Ferguson had raised private funds sufficient to organize the Middle American Archaeological Foundation&#8211;later changed to the New World Archaeological Foundation (NWAF)&#8211;and to sponsor the first year of excavations in Mexico at those sites Ferguson tentativel identified as Nephite lands.  Board members included Alfred V. Kidder, Gordon F. Ekholm (of the American Museum of Natural History), and Gordon R. Willey (of Harvard).  Esteemed biblical archaeologist W.F. Albright offered his congratulations and support, and Thor Heyerdahl wrote Ferguson that his own recent work confirmed that &#8220;there was a white people in Southern Mexico and Guatemala many centuries before Columbus.&#8221;&lt;sup&gt;84&lt;/sup&gt;</p></blockquote>
<p>I need to take a break here.  William Albright was a big export in the 1948 discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and I believe he did quite a bit of research in the excavation of the Biblical city of Jericho.  He is a world-renown archaeologist, teaching at John Hopkins University.  Thor Hyerdahl is famous for sailing a bamboo raft he named Kon Tiki without mechanical power.  He travelled 4300 miles each way, proving travel from South America to the Polynesian islands was possible.  Obviously, this proves Lehi&#8217;s journey was possible.  So, these 2 experts, in addition to the other experts were some pretty important heavyweights in the field of archaeology.  Continuing on,</p>
<blockquote><p>The foundation was expressly commissioned, in the words of Kidder, to test three theories about the origin of teh advanced civilizations of Mesoamerica: &#8220;(1) That they were autochthonous [indigenous, native--I had to look that up];  (2) That, as set forth in the Book of Mormon, they were derived from ancient Israel; (3) That their rise was due to stimuli from some Asiatic source.&#8221;&lt;sup&gt;85&lt;/sup&gt;  The fact that archaeologists from Harvard, Carnegie, and American Museum of Natural History were apparently willing to consider the Book of Mormon as constituting a serious theory of Mesoamerican peopleing to be tested alongside their competing theories could be interpreted by some as a dramatic coming of age for Book of Mormon studies.  An NWAF editor and emininent archaologist, J. Alden Mason, insisted that the organization was not in the business of confirming scriptural accounts of antiquity, that the purpose of teh foundation was &#8220;<em>not</em> to seek corroboration of the Book of Mormon account.&#8221;&lt;sup&gt;86&lt;/sup&gt;  Still, even if the approach was scientifically objective and the whole enterprise not just archaology in the service of apologetics, teh prestige of those endorsing hte project had lent powerful support to the credibility of the Book of Mormon.  The text was clearly a viable player on teh field of Mesoamerican stuides.  Non-Mormon scholars had just indicated as much, and in print.</p>
<p>&#8230; [ page 114]</p>
<p>Excavactions shed enormous light on a range of occupations that span a period both preceeding and postdating Nephite history.  They unearthed pottery, figurines, codices, tombs, and canal works&#8211;but without discovering anything as conclusive as Nephi&#8217;s tomb.  The most impressive find, in Ferguson&#8217;s opinion, was a set of tiny cylinder seals with markings apprently daing between 400 and 700 B.C.  The biblical archaeologeist W. F. Albright identified the markings on one as &#8220;degenerate cartouches of Mediterranean inspiration.&#8221;&lt;sup&gt;88&lt;/sup&gt;  In a subsequent book, Ferguson listed some 300 cultural elements that he argued parallel Middle Eastern culture.&lt;sup&gt;89&lt;/sup&gt;  His enthusiasm was such that he was soon discussing a documentary film project with Twentieth Century-Fox and a Book of Mormon museum, filled with his discoveries, with hotelier Williard Marriot.&lt;sup&gt;90&lt;/sup&gt;  Though his lasting influence upon Book of Mormon scholarship was negligible, Ferguson did much at the time to raise the visibility of Mormon research.</p></blockquote>
<p>Givens discusses the Smithsonian Institution letter (that anti-Mormons love to quote) stating that they do not use the Book of Mormon as a guide for archaeology.  John Sorenson is now the foremost expert on Book of Mormon archaeology in Mesoamerica now.  Of course, I&#8217;ve talked previously about other theories, including <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/05/21/a-south-american-model-for-the-book-of-mormon/" target="_blank">South America</a>, <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/25/amazing-ny-geography-part-4/" target="_blank">New York</a>, and the <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/04/18/my-first-scoop-the-unpublished-malay-theory/" target="_blank">Malay Theory</a>, but Mesoamerica is by far the leading theory among Book of Mormon geography buffs.  So, what do you think of the state of New World archaeology as it relates to the Book of Mormon?</p>
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		<title>A Radically Different Book of Mormon Geography Theory</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the movie, Raiders of the Lost Ark, the Nazi&#8217;s are looking for the Lost Ark of the Covenant.  They have an image of a map burned into the hand of a Nazi scientist, so they think they know where the Ark is.  However, there is a critical piece of information missing which is found [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the movie, <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082971/"><strong>Raiders of the Lost Ark</strong></a>, the Nazi&#8217;s are looking for the Lost Ark of the Covenant.  They have an image of a map burned into the hand of a Nazi scientist, so they think they know where the Ark is.  However, there is a critical piece of information missing which is found on the other side of the medallion, which only Indiana Jones has.  Indiana exclaims, &#8220;They&#8217;re digging in the wrong place!&#8221;</p>
<p>Book of Mormon geography is one of my favorite topics, and it&#8217;s been a while since I talked about it.  Wouldn&#8217;t it be cool to find some archaeological evidence?  There are over 100 theories concerning Book of Mormon geography.  Since they can&#8217;t all be correct, obviously, some scientists are digging in the wrong place.  Let&#8217;s review some of the theories again.</p>
<p><span id="more-397"></span>In 1991, John Sorensen of BYU, the &#8220;dean&#8221; of Book of Mormon geography, created a book called &#8220;<strong>The Geography of Book of Mormon Events: A Source Book</strong>&#8220;.  (It is hard to find because it has no ISBN #, but can be purchased at the <a href="http://www.byubookstore.com/ePOS?this_category=127&amp;store=439&amp;item_number=1340487&amp;form=shared3%2fgm%2fdetail.html&amp;design=439">BYU Bookstore</a> as well as some bookstores specializing on <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0006QHZWE/ref=sr_1_olp_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1239299160&amp;sr=8-1">obscure Mormon books</a>.)  I reviewed the theories.  I grouped them into <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/01/25/book-of-mormon-geography/">basic categories</a>, and discovered a 7<sup>th</sup> category when Last Lemming posted a comment at my blog about an <a href="../../../../../2008/01/25/book-of-mormon-geography/comment-page-1/#comment-5">African theory</a>.  Here they are:</p>
<p>(1)   <strong>Internal Theories</strong>. These are maps which just read the BOM and ignore where they might have occurred, but try to figure out rough distances, and major landmarks that the true map must exhibit. This is a good starting point for &#8220;real-world&#8221; maps to compare themselves to.  Any scholar should probably start here first.</p>
<p>(2)   <strong>Hemispheric Models</strong>. Mormons originally thought that the Book of Mormon peoples covered the entire North and South America. Most serious scholars now doubt this, but many church members probably still believe this today.</p>
<p>(3)   <strong>Central America Models</strong>. The bulk of &#8220;mormon approved&#8221; scholars support this general theory. While there are disagreements about where the &#8220;narrow neck of land&#8221; exists, such as Panama, Mexico, Guatemala, etc, these theories can be lumped into this category.  This is the theory that is most accepted by Mormon Scholars.</p>
<p>(4)   <strong>South America Models</strong>. Joseph Smith is reported to have said that Lehi landed 30 degrees South of the equator, in what would be modern day Chile. There are several theories that try to confirm this, and most people who support this group of theories believe that most of South America was under water, and that the continent rose up during the major earthquakes mentioned in the BOM during Christ&#8217;s crucifixion in the Old World.</p>
<p>(5)   <strong>The Great Lakes Theories</strong>. This proposes that since the golden plates were found in NY, the BOM lands must be nearby, and proposes that the Great Lakes were the Sea East, West, etc.  This theory has recently received a boost from people like Rodney Meldrum, and is making some inroads into Mormon thought.</p>
<p>The book is now close to 20 years old.  Since it was published, a flood of new theories have been created.  The following 2 theories are some of the most radical.</p>
<p><em>(6) </em><strong>The African Theory</strong> by Embaye Melekin.  The link to this theory on my blog no longer works, but <a href="http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&amp;id=383">Michael Ash wrote a review</a> of this theory in 2001.  Melekin claims that his book titled, &#8220;Manifestations mysteries revealed,&#8221; has proven &#8220;<em>beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Book of Mormon is an African book and about Africans. . . . My book will change the church and the belief of the Mormons drastically.&#8221;</em> Well Melekin didn&#8217;t change Ash&#8217;s opinion, and I don&#8217;t give this theory much credence.<em></em></p>
<p><em>(7) </em><strong>The Malay Theory</strong>. This theory says it would have been much easier for Nephi to travel a 4000 mile journey to the Malay Peninsula than a 16000 mile journey in open seas to the Americas. The author notes better language similarities, better DNA evidence, and other evidences to support his ideas, while clearly noting that he is not sure how the plates got to NY.<em></em></p>
<p>One need only look Wikipedia to see the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon#Anachronisms_and_archaeological_findings">common problems with all the American theories</a>.  (Important note-look at the top of the article-there are many messages at the top of the article stating that the findings in the entry are highly disputed, so use that information as you will.)  Here&#8217;s a brief listing of problems with theories 2-5.  Archaeological evidence has failed to produce many of the following animals and plants existed during the Book of Mormon period:</p>
<ul class="unIndentedList">
<li> Horses</li>
<li> Elephants</li>
<li> Cattle and cows</li>
<li> Sheep</li>
<li> Goats</li>
<li> Swine</li>
<li> Barley and wheat</li>
</ul>
<p>Additionally, Native Americans were much more primitive than is mentioned in the Book of Mormon-there were no chariots, or even wheeled vehicles in the Americas, and iron was not used for weapons.  Iron ore has been discovered in Peru, but its purpose was primarily for body paint.  Here are some other problems:</p>
<ul class="unIndentedList">
<li> Chariots or wheeled vehicles</li>
<li> Steel and iron</li>
<li> Metal swords, which had &#8220;rusted&#8221;</li>
<li> Cimiters</li>
<li> System of exchange based on measures of precious metals</li>
<li> Silk</li>
<li> Knowledge of Hebrew and Egyptian languages</li>
</ul>
<p>DNA seems to be another problem.  I did a <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/07/13/dna-and-tradition-guide-for-the-perplexed/">post last July</a> on a book I read called &#8220;<a title="DNA and Tradition book" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1932687130/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link" target="_blank">DNA and Tradition:  The Genetic Link to the Ancient Hebrews</a>&#8220;, by Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman.  Jewish DNA has been a relatively important topic in the scientific community, and a gene has been discovered, called the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohen#The_kohen_gene">Cohen gene</a> which seems to date back to the time of Aaron and Moses.  This Cohen gene theoretically represents the Levite tribe, of which Moses and Aaron were a part of.  Medically, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohen_syndrome">Cohen gene has been linked to neurological problems</a>.  In my talk with Ann (<a href="../../../../../2008/09/25/whats-the-difference-between-arabs-persians/">What&#8217;s the difference between Arabs and Persians?</a>), she acknowledged that Jews do carry some unique genetic traits.</p>
<p>So, lest anyone think I&#8217;m advocating the position that the Book of Mormon is archaeologically unsound, let&#8217;s look at the Bible for a minute. I did a post which tries to show the <a href="../../../../../2008/11/30/bible-controversy">good and bad news of Biblical Archaeology</a>.  There is no evidence that Jews existed prior to about 700 BC.  That means that there is no archaeological evidence of Moses, Saul, Joseph, Adam, Eve, Job, Abraham, Noah, and everyone who pre-dates 700 BC.  Some scholars go so far as to claim that the Exodus never happened.  There is an inscription about David in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele">Tel Dan stele</a>, which seems to indicate that a King David may have existed, but scholars are split as to the veracity of this claim.  There is even a lack of contemporary evidence that Christ existed, though the writings after his crucifixion certainly add a significant amount of credible evidence that Christ probably existed.  Either way, science will never be able to prove he was resurrected, which is a fundamental tenet of all Christianity.</p>
<p>So my point is that the Bible and the Book of Mormon&#8217;s primary value are in their religious and spiritual validity, not necessarily scientific validity.  Certainly the Bible has more archaeological evidence than the Book of Mormon, but there are many archaeological questions for both books.</p>
<p>Does lack of evidence prove these people did not exist?  No, we are only a discovery away from proving the skeptics wrong.  Can a spiritual person still be a scientist?  Yes, according to Maimonides, a rabbi who wrote 700 years ago.  A quote from <a title="DNA and Tradition book" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1932687130/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link" target="_blank">DNA and Tradition:  The Genetic Link to the Ancient Hebrews</a> says,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;His writings directed the person of faith to realize that there is much more hidden than revealed, both in the traditional Biblical writings and also in the natural world.  Our challenge is to continually study and investigate both realms, with the realization that apparent conflicts are merely artifacts of temporary incomplete understanding in one or both realms.  This avoidance of intellectual pride, allows the person of traditional religious faith to work comfortably within the framework of rigorous scientific hypothesis and empiricism.  This is also in keeping with the rationalist approach in Maimonides&#8217; <em>Guide for the Perplexed</em>.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So, what if the Book of Mormon is true, but like the Nazis in <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082971/"><strong>Raiders of the Lost Ark</strong></a>, we&#8217;re &#8220;digging in the wrong place?&#8221;  I decided to look at one of the radically different geography theories-the Malay theory by Ralph Olsen.  I discovered it in the footnotes of the Wikipedia article on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon">Archaeology and the Book of Mormon</a>.  He even has his <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon#Alternative_settings">own section here</a>.  The footnotes list a link to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon#cite_note-Malay-220">Sunstone article</a> he did.  (You must open the attachment with the free Adobe Reader.)</p>
<p>In the Sunstone article, he lists his mailing address, so I wrote him a letter.  Ralph Olsen is a retired chemistry professor at Montana State University, with research interests in plants, soils, and microbes.  I asked him why he picked Malay as a possible Book of Mormon location, and he cited several reasons:</p>
<p>(1)    The peninsula is North-south, unlike Sorenson&#8217;s east-west orientation</p>
<p>(2)    The problems with animals go away.  Elephants, sheep, horses, etc. all date to the proper time period</p>
<p>(3)    The civilization dates to the proper time period, and has had chariots, iron, silk, etc</p>
<p>(4)    There was a dark-skinned people pre-existing on the peninsula.  If they intermarried with the Lamanites, (while the Nephites did not intermarry) that would explain the &#8220;dark and loathsome&#8221; comment in the Book of Mormon</p>
<p>(5)    The oceanic travel makes more sense</p>
<p><em>(6) </em><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/63/5#5">Alma 63: 5</a> <em>And it came to pass that Hagoth, he being an <sup>a</sup></em><a title="Hel. 3: 10 (10, 14)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/63/5a"><em>exceedingly</em></a><em> curious man, therefore he went forth and built him an exceedingly large ship, on the borders of the land <sup>b</sup></em><a title="Alma 53: 3 (3-4); Hel. 1: 23." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/63/5b"><em>Bountiful</em></a><em>, by the land Desolation, and launched it forth into the west sea, by the <sup>c</sup></em><a title="Alma 22: 32; Morm. 2: 29; Ether 10: 20." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/63/5c"><em>narrow</em></a><em> neck which led into the land northward. </em></p>
<p>a.       Traditional Mormon scholars seem to support the idea that Hagoth travelled eastward and populated the Pacific Islands (such as Hawaii, Tonga, etc),</p>
<p>b.      Scholarly consensus indicates that Native Americans came from Asia, hopped across the Pacific Islands (such as Hawaii, Tonga, etc), before arriving in the Americas.  Olsen&#8217;s theory seems to be backed up by more scientists</p>
<p>(7)    DNA evidence seems to be better.  I blogged previously about the <a href="../../../../../2008/01/25/why-are-the-12-tribes-of-israel-important/">12 Tribes of Israel</a>.  As we know from the Book of Mormon, Nephi and Lehi were from the tribe of Manasseh.  Unrelated to this theory, a Jewish documentary filmmaker named Simcha Jacobovici has made the claim that the tribe of Manasseh may be located in the Malay Peninsula in his film <a title="Quest for the Lost Tribes" href="http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=70158" target="_blank"><em>&#8220;Quest for the Lost Tribes&#8221;</em></a>, which I <a href="../../../../../2008/04/19/have-the-lost-10-tribes-been-found/">blogged about previously</a>.</p>
<p>a.       While not endorsing the Malay Theory, <a href="../../../../../2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-513">Simon Southerton commented on my blog</a> that &#8220;I&#8217;m not aware of any DNA evidence from South East Asia linking populations there with the Middle East. South East Asia has been heavily populated for tens of thousands of years, with large civilizations. It is possible that Jewish sailors colonized parts of Asia though.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know Southerton gets a lot of flak from FARMS and FAIR for his DNA studies.  I know Rodney Meldrum is making some claims that Cohen DNA has been found in the Americas.  However, Southerton says that Meldrum&#8217;s work is based on old genetic tests, and is no longer valid.  Southerton&#8217;s rebuttal is found <a href="http://www.signaturebooks.com/dna.htm">here</a>.</p>
<p>Unrelated to this theory, a Jewish documentary filmmaker named Simcha Jacobovici has made the claim that the tribe of Manasseh may be located in the Malay Peninsula in his film <a title="Quest for the Lost Tribes" href="http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=70158" target="_blank"><em>&#8220;Quest for the Lost Tribes&#8221;</em></a>, which I <a href="../../../../../2008/04/19/have-the-lost-10-tribes-been-found/">blogged about previously</a>.  Jacobovici mentions that when Babylon invaded Israel and scattered them in 600 BC, that some of the tribes were taken across land to Malay.  This could seemingly explain how the Mulekites got there, and why the Nephites (who travelled by boat) couldn&#8217;t understand them.</p>
<p>There is also a legend in Malay stating that some shipwrecked Jewish people landed there, possibly indicating the Nephites landing there. As we know from the Book of Mormon, Nephi and Lehi were from the tribe of Manasseh.  Jacobovici states in his film that some of the local citizens in Malay claim to be from the Tribe of Manasseh.</p>
<p>Olsen has written a short book called &#8220;A More Promising Land of Promise&#8221;, which is available for purchase on his own <a href="http://www.mormonlocations.com/introduction.html">website</a>.  He also sent me a much longer, unpublished manuscript, which goes into further detail, than his published book.  He encourages people to critique his work, so if you have problems with his theories, be kind, but please express them.  My biggest problems with the theory are:</p>
<p>(1)    How did the plates get to New York?  Olsen admits that he doesn&#8217;t know-possibly a miracle?  But he also points out that Sorensen doesn&#8217;t adequately explain how the 200 lb plates moved from Guatemala 3000 miles north to NY without a wheeled vehicle.</p>
<p>(2)    If the Book of Mormon lands are in Asia, then Joseph&#8217;s account that the Book of Mormon contains a record of the inhabitants of the American continent, then Malay is clearly not.  Joseph Smith History 1:34 <em>&#8220;[Moroni] said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of <strong>this continent</strong>, and the source from whence they sprang.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>a.       <a href="../../../../../2008/05/13/hebrew-dna-found-in-south-america/comment-page-1/#comment-224">Olsen&#8217;s argument</a> emphasizes it differently, instead emphasizing &#8220;<strong>and the source from whence they sprang.&#8221; </strong>He says the Source is the Malay Peninsula, and that is how to overcome this apparent discrepancy. I can see his point, but I know that is not a traditional understanding of that scripture, and I&#8217;m not sure I buy it.</p>
<p>So, what do you think?  Do you have any other major problems with the theory?  Is there anything you like about the theory?</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve posted previously on the various BoM <a title="Geography tags" href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/category/geography/" target="_self">geography theories</a>, and I have to admit, it is one of my favorite topics.  Very few Mormons realize how diverse some of the various theories are.  Mormon Times recently ran an article on <a title="BoM Geography" href="http://mormontimes.com/studies_doctrine/research_discoveries/?id=4732" target="_blank">the various theories</a>, and gave some criteria for evaluating them properly.</p>
<p>So, which of these theories sounds most plausible to you?  I&#8217;ve studied quite a few, and am aware of both strengths and weaknesses of many of the theories.  I&#8217;d love to hear what you think.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[About 7 years ago, I was introduced to the idea that the Book of Mormon lands didn&#8217;t take place in Central America, but rather South America. Lately, I&#8217;ve been studying the issue again, and came across a theory that the Book of Mormon didn&#8217;t take place in the Americas at all, but rather in Malaysia [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 7 years ago, I was introduced to the idea that the Book of Mormon lands didn&#8217;t take place in Central America, but rather South America. Lately, I&#8217;ve been studying the issue again, and came across a theory that the Book of Mormon didn&#8217;t take place in the Americas at all, but rather in Malaysia (known as the Malay Peninsula.) Has anyone heard or studied this hypothesis?</p>
<p>So, I decided to learn more about the different ideas of BOM geography. James Sorensen has a book published in 1991 where he gives a short synopsis of the various (approximately 80) theories. Many are similar, and here are the major categories of theories.<span id="more-5"></span></p>
<p>(1) Internal Theories. These are maps which just read the BOM and ignore where they might have occurred, but try to figure out rough distances, and major landmarks that the true map must exhibit. This is a good starting point for &#8220;real-world&#8221; maps to compare themselves to.</p>
<p>(2) Hemispheric Models. Mormons originally thought that the Book of Mormon peoples covered the entire North and South America. Most serious scholars now doubt this, but many church members probably still believe this today.</p>
<p>(3) Central America Models. Most scholars support this general theory. While there are disagreements about where the &#8220;narrow neck of land&#8221; exists, such as Panama, Mexico, Guatemala, etc, these theories can be lumped into this category.</p>
<p>(4) South America Models. Joseph Smith is reported to have said that Lehi landed 30 degrees South of the equator, in what would be modern day Chile. There are several theories that try to confirm this, and most people who support this theory believe that most of South America was under water, and that the continent rose up during the major earthquakes mentioned in the BOM during Christ&#8217;s crucifixion in the Old World.</p>
<p>(5) The Great Lakes Theory. This proposes that since the golden plates were found in NY, the BOM lands must be nearby, and proposes that the Great Lakes were the Sea East, West, etc.</p>
<p>(6) The Malay Theory. This theory says it would have been much easier for Nephi to travel a 4000 mile journey to the Malay Peninsula than a 16000 mile journey in open seas to the americas. The author notes better language similarities, better DNA evidence, and other evidences to support his ideas, while clearly noting that he is not sure how the plates got to NY.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to promote one theory above another, although some seem more plausible than others, and was wondering what people think of these alternate theories. I know the Central American theory is the most accepted theory, but it does seem to have some flaws that are worth noting. Does anyone have any information pro or con on these other theories? I&#8217;m curious what people think, and if anyone has anything to say about this.</p>
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