Comments on: The Week of Holy Days: Palm Sunday, Passover, and Easter http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/ Stuff they don't talk about in Sunday School Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:23:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: April http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/comment-page-1/#comment-10824 April Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:32:50 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=960#comment-10824 I am a mormon and I have done Passover for the 2nd year now. I have not thought about Palm Sunday though, is it a scripturally based and commanded time as is the other festivals? With Passover- As I understand it, the scriptures quote from God saying "these are MY apointed times." No where does it say this is a "jewish" thing. In history past there was no referance to "jew." Furthermore, God requires it in the "old" testiment as something WE are required to do "throughout all YOUR generations FOREVER." "We" meaning those who were not "so called Jews" but those who were spiritually grafted in. We see, with research that those who came out of Eygypt in the Exodus were a mixed multitude. -Those who kept His commandments and ways. I have been a mormon for 10 years and I love the truethfulness of the gospel and the doctrine. I and my family prayed for "spiritual acceleration" as we read about Joseph Smith encouraging the men in the early days of the church to pray for spiritual acceleration. We prayed that we as a family would be accelerated to where Heavenly Father needed us to be. We not only observe Passover in our home, we do it all ourselves to the best we can by following as much scripture as possible. We also have begun to study Hebrew as did Joseph Smith and the elders in the "School of the Phrophets." We keep the feast or festivals of the scripture as was commanded by God in the old testiment and was kept and practised by the Savior and His apostles in the New Testiment. We keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Yom Kippur, (Day of Atonement) and Sukkot (feast of Tabernacles)and as many of all the rest that were "COMMANDED" as possible. We are still learning so we are off a bit, but making a lifelong journey and pursuit of it is our goal. The understanding of our Savior and His life has a whole new level of understanding. We also eat Kosher and kill our food as close to Kosher as you can get. We have done away with alot of Pegan practices, that we never really knew were pegan, even Christmas and Easter. In fact we are "inactive" from church for Easter and from basically right before Halloween and on until the New Year because of the terrible, depravity and sad sickness that these pagan holidays truely represent. I wish that our church did not focus on them as much or even at all, The scriptures command us not to do as the pegans do and even if there was no instruction about peagans and avoiding their holidays- as a moral person I would never want to have anything to do with Easter (burning babies to God Molek) or Christmas (Depravity to usually a "Jewish" person, drunkeness, ludeness and revelry. It only takes 2 minutes to find the origins of these holidays and thier meanings online and I highly recommend anyone promoting these holidays to research them first. Most people who are holocost victims don't celebrate and throw a party for Hitler or on His Birthday, why should we do so on Christmas and Easter? We go by both the Hebrew calander and the Gregorian calander. Our lives are so enriched, our view of the life and history of our Savior so expanded. We also use the correct names for Heavely Father and the Savior. But hey, to each his own. It only takes a prayer to find out where Heavely Father really wants each of us to be. And it is up to us to ask Him to reveal as much as He needs us to know for our sakes and His sake. My husband and I and my 5 kids don't miss Christmas or Pork or anything else we have given up. For awhile, a single widow who had to have double knee surgury needed to have my husband care for her goats (we knew nothing of goats then), what an amazingly insightful and spiritual opportunity Heavenly Father created for him and our family.-Herders like in biblical days-see the coarilation? Man, you can only know what you have been taught, until you search and "study out of the Best Books." And Heavenly Father can show you His level of spirituality that He wants you to be on only when you are willing, inviting and teachable-humble, meek, like a little child. May YHWH bless you to be enriched in your journey to His enlightenedment, and may the desire to know the trueth grow within you. May YHWY bless you and cause His face to Shine upon you and grant you Shalom. (peace) -aaronic blessing psalms April I am a mormon and I have done Passover for the 2nd year now. I have not thought about Palm Sunday though, is it a scripturally based and commanded time as is the other festivals? With Passover- As I understand it, the scriptures quote from God saying “these are MY apointed times.” No where does it say this is a “jewish” thing. In history past there was no referance to “jew.” Furthermore, God requires it in the “old” testiment as something WE are required to do “throughout all YOUR generations FOREVER.” “We” meaning those who were not “so called Jews” but those who were spiritually grafted in. We see, with research that those who came out of Eygypt in the Exodus were a mixed multitude. -Those who kept His commandments and ways.
I have been a mormon for 10 years and I love the truethfulness of the gospel and the doctrine. I and my family prayed for “spiritual acceleration” as we read about Joseph Smith encouraging the men in the early days of the church to pray for spiritual acceleration. We prayed that we as a family would be accelerated to where Heavenly Father needed us to be. We not only observe Passover in our home, we do it all ourselves to the best we can by following as much scripture as possible. We also have begun to study Hebrew as did Joseph Smith and the elders in the “School of the Phrophets.” We keep the feast or festivals of the scripture as was commanded by God in the old testiment and was kept and practised by the Savior and His apostles in the New Testiment. We keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Yom Kippur, (Day of Atonement) and Sukkot (feast of Tabernacles)and as many of all the rest that were “COMMANDED” as possible. We are still learning so we are off a bit, but making a lifelong journey and pursuit of it is our goal. The understanding of our Savior and His life has a whole new level of understanding. We also eat Kosher and kill our food as close to Kosher as you can get. We have done away with alot of Pegan practices, that we never really knew were pegan, even Christmas and Easter. In fact we are “inactive” from church for Easter and from basically right before Halloween and on until the New Year because of the terrible, depravity and sad sickness that these pagan holidays truely represent. I wish that our church did not focus on them as much or even at all, The scriptures command us not to do as the pegans do and even if there was no instruction about peagans and avoiding their holidays- as a moral person I would never want to have anything to do with Easter (burning babies to God Molek) or Christmas (Depravity to usually a “Jewish” person, drunkeness, ludeness and revelry. It only takes 2 minutes to find the origins of these holidays and thier meanings online and I highly recommend anyone promoting these holidays to research them first. Most people who are holocost victims don’t celebrate and throw a party for Hitler or on His Birthday, why should we do so on Christmas and Easter?

We go by both the Hebrew calander and the Gregorian calander. Our lives are so enriched, our view of the life and history of our Savior so expanded. We also use the correct names for Heavely Father and the Savior. But hey, to each his own. It only takes a prayer to find out where Heavely Father really wants each of us to be. And it is up to us to ask Him to reveal as much as He needs us to know for our sakes and His sake. My husband and I and my 5 kids don’t miss Christmas or Pork or anything else we have given up. For awhile, a single widow who had to have double knee surgury needed to have my husband care for her goats (we knew nothing of goats then), what an amazingly insightful and spiritual opportunity Heavenly Father created for him and our family.-Herders like in biblical days-see the coarilation?

Man, you can only know what you have been taught, until you search and “study out of the Best Books.”
And Heavenly Father can show you His level of spirituality that He wants you to be on only when you are willing, inviting and teachable-humble, meek, like a little child. May YHWH bless you to be enriched in your journey to His enlightenedment, and may the desire to know the trueth grow within you. May YHWY bless you and cause His face to Shine upon you and grant you Shalom. (peace) -aaronic blessing psalms
April

]]> By: Mormon Heretic » Questions About the Exodus http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/comment-page-1/#comment-5476 Mormon Heretic » Questions About the Exodus Mon, 12 Apr 2010 04:14:20 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=960#comment-5476 [...] presented Jacobovici’s position on the plagues in my previous post.  National Geographic (NG) had similar explanations for plagues 2-6 dealing with insects and [...] [...] presented Jacobovici’s position on the plagues in my previous post.  National Geographic (NG) had similar explanations for plagues 2-6 dealing with insects and [...]

]]> By: Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/comment-page-1/#comment-5472 Mormon Heretic Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:08:04 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=960#comment-5472 Scott, thanks for stopping by. I liked Great Basin Kingdom so much, I bought it! Scott, thanks for stopping by. I liked Great Basin Kingdom so much, I bought it!

]]> By: Scott B. http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/comment-page-1/#comment-5464 Scott B. Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:01:25 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=960#comment-5464 MH, Thanks for the post, and I think it would be marvelous to see more discussion of Palm Sunday--as well as other notable days from traditional Christian liturgical calendars--in an LDS setting. My ward did nothing this year, but last year it was the focus of the talks in a Sacrament meeting. Also, Great Basin Kingdom FTW. MH,
Thanks for the post, and I think it would be marvelous to see more discussion of Palm Sunday–as well as other notable days from traditional Christian liturgical calendars–in an LDS setting. My ward did nothing this year, but last year it was the focus of the talks in a Sacrament meeting.

Also, Great Basin Kingdom FTW.

]]> By: Easter vs. General Conference « Irresistible (Dis)Grace http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/comment-page-1/#comment-5451 Easter vs. General Conference « Irresistible (Dis)Grace Sun, 04 Apr 2010 02:35:24 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=960#comment-5451 [...] at least  some are covering Easter from LDS [...] [...] at least  some are covering Easter from LDS [...]

]]> By: Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/comment-page-1/#comment-5438 Mormon Heretic Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:48:29 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=960#comment-5438 FireTag, I'd like to hear more about your Palm Sunday celebration. I'm also glad to hear your take on the volcanoes. In the Bible, I don't recall hearing about all these earthquakes that Jacovovici claims were happening. His talk of the African plate rising up 1 meter to dry up the Sea of Reeds seems like a massive earthquake, yet seems to be missing from the Biblical story. Still, I found the Nile turning to blood and first 6 plagues a very interesting explanation. Is there any way to record that Exodus film from the Science Channel--I love this stuff, and always love to hear alternative explanations. I have ordered a National Geographic DVD, but it hasn't arrived yet. Doug, Welcome! I wouldn't say there is any more pressure to celebrate Easter. I read a book by LDS Historian Leonard Arrington called <i>Great Basin Kingdom</i> which primarily describes the settlement of Utah by Brigham Young. One of the things Arrington points out is that most of the early church leaders came from New England--where the Puritans thrived. I think there is a real Puritanical influence that has been passed on down through the years. Mormons don't know any different, so it's not a big deal not to celebrate. Missionary farewells used to be one of the largest celebrations in the church, but in the past 5 or so years, the church has made a strong effort to tamp down these celebrations. For whatever reason, the leadership seems to feel that big celebrations are irreverent, and prefer to keep the celebrations to a minimum. The result to me seems to be that Easter (and especially Palm Sunday), is largely ignored by the general membership. My kids look forward to the Easter Egg hunts and Santa Claus more than the spiritual aspects of these holidays. Sure we talk about the resurrection and the birth of Christ, and frequently you do hear talks reminding us not to worry about the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus at the expense of Christ, but I think the church could do a much better job of promoting these holidays, by actually focusing on them a bit more. I know many converts have mentioned that Mormon Easter and Christmas celebrations are lacking, and they most certainly are. Rico, I'm glad to hear you celebrated Palm Sunday. I did not know it was Palm Sunday until I opened up the internet and saw a photo of Pope Benedict early Sunday Morning, so I thought I had better add a small blurb to my post. On my way to work today, I asked my carpool buddy if he knew that yesterday was Palm Sunday. To my surprise, he did. Apparently his ward observed Fast Sunday yesterday, and one of the counselors mentioned participating in Holy Week in Israel one year, and talked about Palm Sunday during his testimony. A few other members made mention of Palm Sunday in their testimonies as well. My ward talked nothing about it (and in fact I must admit to sharing scores of the Duke and Michigan State basketball scores with other members, shame on me. Go Butler!) FireTag, I’d like to hear more about your Palm Sunday celebration. I’m also glad to hear your take on the volcanoes. In the Bible, I don’t recall hearing about all these earthquakes that Jacovovici claims were happening. His talk of the African plate rising up 1 meter to dry up the Sea of Reeds seems like a massive earthquake, yet seems to be missing from the Biblical story. Still, I found the Nile turning to blood and first 6 plagues a very interesting explanation.

Is there any way to record that Exodus film from the Science Channel–I love this stuff, and always love to hear alternative explanations. I have ordered a National Geographic DVD, but it hasn’t arrived yet.

Doug, Welcome! I wouldn’t say there is any more pressure to celebrate Easter. I read a book by LDS Historian Leonard Arrington called Great Basin Kingdom which primarily describes the settlement of Utah by Brigham Young. One of the things Arrington points out is that most of the early church leaders came from New England–where the Puritans thrived. I think there is a real Puritanical influence that has been passed on down through the years. Mormons don’t know any different, so it’s not a big deal not to celebrate. Missionary farewells used to be one of the largest celebrations in the church, but in the past 5 or so years, the church has made a strong effort to tamp down these celebrations. For whatever reason, the leadership seems to feel that big celebrations are irreverent, and prefer to keep the celebrations to a minimum. The result to me seems to be that Easter (and especially Palm Sunday), is largely ignored by the general membership.

My kids look forward to the Easter Egg hunts and Santa Claus more than the spiritual aspects of these holidays. Sure we talk about the resurrection and the birth of Christ, and frequently you do hear talks reminding us not to worry about the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus at the expense of Christ, but I think the church could do a much better job of promoting these holidays, by actually focusing on them a bit more. I know many converts have mentioned that Mormon Easter and Christmas celebrations are lacking, and they most certainly are.

Rico, I’m glad to hear you celebrated Palm Sunday. I did not know it was Palm Sunday until I opened up the internet and saw a photo of Pope Benedict early Sunday Morning, so I thought I had better add a small blurb to my post. On my way to work today, I asked my carpool buddy if he knew that yesterday was Palm Sunday. To my surprise, he did. Apparently his ward observed Fast Sunday yesterday, and one of the counselors mentioned participating in Holy Week in Israel one year, and talked about Palm Sunday during his testimony. A few other members made mention of Palm Sunday in their testimonies as well. My ward talked nothing about it (and in fact I must admit to sharing scores of the Duke and Michigan State basketball scores with other members, shame on me. Go Butler!)

]]> By: Rico http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/comment-page-1/#comment-5432 Rico Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:04:41 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=960#comment-5432 Just as an aside. Our Ward had a special Palm Sunday service yesterday. Though it is not formally organised via the hierarchy I am sure many areas do organise their own celebrations. Just as an aside. Our Ward had a special Palm Sunday service yesterday. Though it is not formally organised via the hierarchy I am sure many areas do organise their own celebrations.

]]> By: Doug Dwyer http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/comment-page-1/#comment-5431 Doug Dwyer Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:43:04 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=960#comment-5431 Another interesting site! As much as I thought I knew about your church I had no idea the LDS didn't celebrate Easter (or Palm Sunday, Christmas...) like other churches. When I've watched 'Music and the Spoken Word" on TV and 'Mormon Messages' on your church site there seems to be a real focus on the holidays, joyous and upbeat-why that isn't carried into your local congregations is a mystery to me! Is there more of a stress on celebrating at home with family rather than at church? My church really enjoys these special days. Sure we get a lot of 'Chresters' (Christmas and Easter Christians) but what an opportunity to share the hope found in Christ with them. Any visitors to your church during the holidays must be very disappointed-not very good outreach! It doesn't sound like there is any clear policy from your GA regarding this issue. COuld it be that the LDS are afraid of looking too much like the rest of us? Regarding Passover, there are materials available to help Christians celebrate Passover. We have had Passover seders in our home and at church. Is that something LDS do? Another interesting site! As much as I thought I knew about your church I had no idea the LDS didn’t celebrate Easter (or Palm Sunday, Christmas…) like other churches. When I’ve watched ‘Music and the Spoken Word” on TV and ‘Mormon Messages’ on your church site there seems to be a real focus on the holidays, joyous and upbeat-why that isn’t carried into your local congregations is a mystery to me! Is there more of a stress on celebrating at home with family rather than at church? My church really enjoys these special days. Sure we get a lot of ‘Chresters’ (Christmas and Easter Christians) but what an opportunity to share the hope found in Christ with them. Any visitors to your church during the holidays must be very disappointed-not very good outreach! It doesn’t sound like there is any clear policy from your GA regarding this issue. COuld it be that the LDS are afraid of looking too much like the rest of us? Regarding Passover, there are materials available to help Christians celebrate Passover. We have had Passover seders in our home and at church. Is that something LDS do?

]]> By: Visiting New York City’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/comment-page-1/#comment-5427 Visiting New York City’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral Mon, 29 Mar 2010 05:09:21 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=960#comment-5427 [...] Mormon Heretic » The Week of Holy Days: Palm Sunday, Passover, and Easter [...] [...] Mormon Heretic » The Week of Holy Days: Palm Sunday, Passover, and Easter [...]

]]> By: FireTag http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/03/28/the-week-of-holy-days-palm-sunday-passover-and-easter/comment-page-1/#comment-5426 FireTag Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:41:24 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=960#comment-5426 Interestingly enough, I just went downstairs to watch TV with the family and found that the Science channel had a documentary called "The Exodus" on that at first I thought was the DVD your post was discussing. This documentary has the first six plagues from upstream volcanism pretty much as you described above, but then has the next four triggered by a great storm independent of volcanism which knocks down the crops with hail, carries in locusts which consume the crops not knocked down by the hail, exposing the land to a major sandstorm, and then contaminates the remaining food supplies (stored underground in the cities) with uncontrolled fermentation of mytotoxins. The culture feeds the largest portion of the remaining food to the firstborn sons of the upper class to preserve the family line, inadvertently poisoning them. Dominant farm animals also grab the most food and die, too. Israelites, in work camps in Goshen, away from the elites, are naturally spared. MH is always the first to recognize a hot topic. :D Interestingly enough, I just went downstairs to watch TV with the family and found that the Science channel had a documentary called “The Exodus” on that at first I thought was the DVD your post was discussing. This documentary has the first six plagues from upstream volcanism pretty much as you described above, but then has the next four triggered by a great storm independent of volcanism which knocks down the crops with hail, carries in locusts which consume the crops not knocked down by the hail, exposing the land to a major sandstorm, and then contaminates the remaining food supplies (stored underground in the cities) with uncontrolled fermentation of mytotoxins. The culture feeds the largest portion of the remaining food to the firstborn sons of the upper class to preserve the family line, inadvertently poisoning them. Dominant farm animals also grab the most food and die, too. Israelites, in work camps in Goshen, away from the elites, are naturally spared.

MH is always the first to recognize a hot topic. :D

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