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		<title>By: MH</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/01/17/home-teaching-the-mentally-ill-what-should-you-do/comment-page-1/#comment-5037</link>
		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard the mother has attended the Catholic church in the past.  I suspect visiting teachers probably don&#039;t visit much since the family seems to be a bit dysfunctional.  Then again, I haven&#039;t asked the Relief Society presidency as to how they handle the situation either, so I can&#039;t say for sure.  But the family is sufficiently strange that I&#039;d be surprised to hear if anyone persistently visited them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard the mother has attended the Catholic church in the past.  I suspect visiting teachers probably don&#8217;t visit much since the family seems to be a bit dysfunctional.  Then again, I haven&#8217;t asked the Relief Society presidency as to how they handle the situation either, so I can&#8217;t say for sure.  But the family is sufficiently strange that I&#8217;d be surprised to hear if anyone persistently visited them.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what about the mother&#039;s visiting teachers????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what about the mother&#8217;s visiting teachers????</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for weighing in everyone.  I think I&#039;ll just leave a plate of cookies at the door, signed &quot;Your Home Teachers.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for weighing in everyone.  I think I&#8217;ll just leave a plate of cookies at the door, signed &#8220;Your Home Teachers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MH-

I think it is important that you stay away from the situation unless you know that the man is stable on meds.  There are boundaries that you must have when dealing with mentally ill people who aren&#039;t stable, especially when you have a family. He needs some serious help and you can&#039;t give that to him.  I don&#039;t think it is worth the risk, especially with the way he was talking to you.  Schizophrenic people can be very paranoid and that can lead to erratic behavior.  I think you should listen to your instincts and stay away from the situation unless he gets the medical help he needs.  It is not your responsibility to take all that on that&#039;s for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MH-</p>
<p>I think it is important that you stay away from the situation unless you know that the man is stable on meds.  There are boundaries that you must have when dealing with mentally ill people who aren&#8217;t stable, especially when you have a family. He needs some serious help and you can&#8217;t give that to him.  I don&#8217;t think it is worth the risk, especially with the way he was talking to you.  Schizophrenic people can be very paranoid and that can lead to erratic behavior.  I think you should listen to your instincts and stay away from the situation unless he gets the medical help he needs.  It is not your responsibility to take all that on that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d probably suggest you have as many people from your church be aware what you are doing; apply their suggestions to your own wisdom, as you see fit.  In all of this, I really admire that you have found (as you do in your daily work) someone whom you have given help to, simply by listening to him :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d probably suggest you have as many people from your church be aware what you are doing; apply their suggestions to your own wisdom, as you see fit.  In all of this, I really admire that you have found (as you do in your daily work) someone whom you have given help to, simply by listening to him <img src='http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TheFaithfulDissident</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheFaithfulDissident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I guess I have a fear that if I am nice to this man, he may end up like a stalker or something. Perhaps I am just being irrational, but I must say he is a scary looking guy, and his gun talk really bothered me. If I was a single guy, I think I’d be more inclined to visit, but with a wife and young children, I really don’t want him finding out where I live and doing things to my family. Am I being irrational?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think you&#039;re being irrational at all.  I think you have to go with your gut instinct, and when I read this post, the thought also crossed my mind about him having the potential to become a stalker.  It can feel bad to make such a judgment about someone, but there are several factors in his situation that give it potential, and it&#039;s not irrational to fear something like that happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I guess I have a fear that if I am nice to this man, he may end up like a stalker or something. Perhaps I am just being irrational, but I must say he is a scary looking guy, and his gun talk really bothered me. If I was a single guy, I think I’d be more inclined to visit, but with a wife and young children, I really don’t want him finding out where I live and doing things to my family. Am I being irrational?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re being irrational at all.  I think you have to go with your gut instinct, and when I read this post, the thought also crossed my mind about him having the potential to become a stalker.  It can feel bad to make such a judgment about someone, but there are several factors in his situation that give it potential, and it&#8217;s not irrational to fear something like that happening.</p>
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		<title>By: FireTag</title>
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		<dc:creator>FireTag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MH:

There can be risk here, so I certainly understand your hesitation. I had the neighbor from hell -- and I use the term with theological intent. He rented a home near us, and then repeatedly damaged it so that he could justify never paying rent. He so tormented his landlady (as he had previously done with others) that she was afraid to even come into the neighborhood. When she sought a reason to terminate his lease by asking if he owned a cat (which he did and left out in the cold to hide the fact), and we innocently answered the landlady&#039;s question, he responded by trying to destroy my wife&#039;s business just for starters.

Some things really are for professionals, and it&#039;s hard to know when you&#039;re walking into one of them without being a professional yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MH:</p>
<p>There can be risk here, so I certainly understand your hesitation. I had the neighbor from hell &#8212; and I use the term with theological intent. He rented a home near us, and then repeatedly damaged it so that he could justify never paying rent. He so tormented his landlady (as he had previously done with others) that she was afraid to even come into the neighborhood. When she sought a reason to terminate his lease by asking if he owned a cat (which he did and left out in the cold to hide the fact), and we innocently answered the landlady&#8217;s question, he responded by trying to destroy my wife&#8217;s business just for starters.</p>
<p>Some things really are for professionals, and it&#8217;s hard to know when you&#8217;re walking into one of them without being a professional yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all your responses.  I wish there was someone in my ward who was an expert in mental health, but I&#039;m not aware of any who fit the bill.  Doc, that&#039;s a tough story.  I don&#039;t seem to recall very many positive experiences with LDS social services.  While I think it is interesting that they try to provide more professional services, it seems to me that the ecclesiastical leadership handcuffs the therapists.

Nat, forgive me if this is a stupid question.  I suspect he doesn&#039;t have very many friends.  I know that some lonely people really latch on to anyone who is nice to them.  I guess I have a fear that if I am nice to this man, he may end up like a stalker or something.  Perhaps I am just being irrational, but I must say he is a scary looking guy, and his gun talk really bothered me.  If I was a single guy, I think I&#039;d be more inclined to visit, but with a wife and young children, I really don&#039;t want him finding out where I live and doing things to my family.  Am I being irrational?

I feel much safer following FD&#039;s advice and dropping off a plate of cookies, with a generically signed, &quot;From your home teachers&quot;.  I don&#039;t even want to sign my name....  (He is the weirdest guy I&#039;ve met since my mission 20 years ago.)  I want him to know God loves him and the ward cares about him, but he seems REALLY unstable to me.  I told my Elder&#039;s quorum president, and he told me not to go back until he has spoken to the bishop about the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all your responses.  I wish there was someone in my ward who was an expert in mental health, but I&#8217;m not aware of any who fit the bill.  Doc, that&#8217;s a tough story.  I don&#8217;t seem to recall very many positive experiences with LDS social services.  While I think it is interesting that they try to provide more professional services, it seems to me that the ecclesiastical leadership handcuffs the therapists.</p>
<p>Nat, forgive me if this is a stupid question.  I suspect he doesn&#8217;t have very many friends.  I know that some lonely people really latch on to anyone who is nice to them.  I guess I have a fear that if I am nice to this man, he may end up like a stalker or something.  Perhaps I am just being irrational, but I must say he is a scary looking guy, and his gun talk really bothered me.  If I was a single guy, I think I&#8217;d be more inclined to visit, but with a wife and young children, I really don&#8217;t want him finding out where I live and doing things to my family.  Am I being irrational?</p>
<p>I feel much safer following FD&#8217;s advice and dropping off a plate of cookies, with a generically signed, &#8220;From your home teachers&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t even want to sign my name&#8230;.  (He is the weirdest guy I&#8217;ve met since my mission 20 years ago.)  I want him to know God loves him and the ward cares about him, but he seems REALLY unstable to me.  I told my Elder&#8217;s quorum president, and he told me not to go back until he has spoken to the bishop about the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: mcarp</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve run across several similar individuals, including one who claimed that God spoke to her through her parrot. Some people, and I don&#039;t know Ted so I can&#039;t say in this case, just need someone to talk to. Maybe what Jesus would do is just visit him and be a friend. Don&#039;t go and preach to him. Don&#039;t take  him to church. Just be a friend and listen to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve run across several similar individuals, including one who claimed that God spoke to her through her parrot. Some people, and I don&#8217;t know Ted so I can&#8217;t say in this case, just need someone to talk to. Maybe what Jesus would do is just visit him and be a friend. Don&#8217;t go and preach to him. Don&#8217;t take  him to church. Just be a friend and listen to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi MH,

Being a mental-health professional (and a Christian) myself, I can say that Ted does not necessarily need to be in a church for you to be helpful to him.  I think you&#039;ll do an excellent job just by visiting him regularly, gaining his trust and listening to him with your all...

The beauty of the gospel is that the pre-disposing factor for attaining salvation is for a person to be in-need-of-help.  Your friend, Ted, is in the right place :)  I hope that as you continue to meet with him, he will know of Jesus who died, in order to absorb the wrath of God he justly deserves...  To go up, is to go down.  In a similar situation to clients I meet in my day-to-day profession, I would imagine Ted&#039;s life cannot get any lower.  I will pray for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi MH,</p>
<p>Being a mental-health professional (and a Christian) myself, I can say that Ted does not necessarily need to be in a church for you to be helpful to him.  I think you&#8217;ll do an excellent job just by visiting him regularly, gaining his trust and listening to him with your all&#8230;</p>
<p>The beauty of the gospel is that the pre-disposing factor for attaining salvation is for a person to be in-need-of-help.  Your friend, Ted, is in the right place <img src='http://www.mormonheretic.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I hope that as you continue to meet with him, he will know of Jesus who died, in order to absorb the wrath of God he justly deserves&#8230;  To go up, is to go down.  In a similar situation to clients I meet in my day-to-day profession, I would imagine Ted&#8217;s life cannot get any lower.  I will pray for him.</p>
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