Comments on: Reddick Allred: Mormon Hero http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/09/27/reddick-allred-mormon-hero/ Stuff they don't talk about in Sunday School Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:23:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: MH http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/09/27/reddick-allred-mormon-hero/comment-page-1/#comment-12120 MH Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:04:19 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=733#comment-12120 Jeff, I did a post a few weeks ago on the movie 17 Miracles, which discusses the Martin and Willie handcart disasters. I think you will find it moving. See http://www.mormonheretic.org/2011/06/08/17-miracles-the-faithful-and-foolhardy-willie-handcart-company/ Jeff, I did a post a few weeks ago on the movie 17 Miracles, which discusses the Martin and Willie handcart disasters. I think you will find it moving. See http://www.mormonheretic.org/2011/06/08/17-miracles-the-faithful-and-foolhardy-willie-handcart-company/

]]> By: Jeff http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/09/27/reddick-allred-mormon-hero/comment-page-1/#comment-12117 Jeff Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:43:23 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=733#comment-12117 My Stake just returned from a week long trek. I was given the name Reddick Allred as the pioneer I would walk for. I had no idea what hardship these people from the Martin and Willie Handcart Company went through. Only after seeing and walking through Martins Cove, Rock Creek Hallow, Six Crossing, Rockey Ridge, and crossing the Sweetwater River where the four young men carried so many through the freezing river for an entire day I now have new outlook on these pioneers. To see the area and try to picture it in the winter with the conditions they had our group has a entire new outlook on these people who suffered so much for there chance to live in peace in Zion. If you ever get a chance to visit these places I suggest you do. The spirit is so strong that you can't help but come away a changed person. My Stake just returned from a week long trek. I was given the name Reddick Allred as the pioneer I would walk for. I had no idea what hardship these people from the Martin and Willie Handcart Company went through. Only after seeing and walking through Martins Cove, Rock Creek Hallow, Six Crossing, Rockey Ridge, and crossing the Sweetwater River where the four young men carried so many through the freezing river for an entire day I now have new outlook on these pioneers. To see the area and try to picture it in the winter with the conditions they had our group has a entire new outlook on these people who suffered so much for there chance to live in peace in Zion. If you ever get a chance to visit these places I suggest you do. The spirit is so strong that you can’t help but come away a changed person.

]]> By: MH http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/09/27/reddick-allred-mormon-hero/comment-page-1/#comment-3683 MH Sat, 03 Oct 2009 06:17:18 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=733#comment-3683 I've never really been a fan of pioneer stories. Many seem equivalent to the "we walked to school both ways uphill in snow." However, the last few books I've read don't seem to paint the pioneers in the same vein. They become more real to me, and more modern than traditional pioneer stories seem to tell. The suffering of the Martin and Willey companies was terrible, and I'm glad people like Reddick Allred risk their own lives to save as many people as they did. I’ve never really been a fan of pioneer stories. Many seem equivalent to the “we walked to school both ways uphill in snow.” However, the last few books I’ve read don’t seem to paint the pioneers in the same vein. They become more real to me, and more modern than traditional pioneer stories seem to tell.

The suffering of the Martin and Willey companies was terrible, and I’m glad people like Reddick Allred risk their own lives to save as many people as they did.

]]> By: Heber13 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/09/27/reddick-allred-mormon-hero/comment-page-1/#comment-3679 Heber13 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:32:23 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=733#comment-3679 MH, I really like this historical time and find it very interesting. My ancestors were in the Martin company, and it is hard to imagine the suffering they went through. What isn't always talked about in church is the rest of the stories around those times, when the west was wild, government was limited in its reach of protection and its ability to see things clearly (everything was based on written or oral accounts, so Washington Dc was limited in how to see truth from exaggerated account). It is not like today where Mormons are another church in the country, and the country's laws protect everyone, even though corruption exists, cases are scrutinized with pretty solid facts, and audio and video tapes. MH, I really like this historical time and find it very interesting. My ancestors were in the Martin company, and it is hard to imagine the suffering they went through.

What isn’t always talked about in church is the rest of the stories around those times, when the west was wild, government was limited in its reach of protection and its ability to see things clearly (everything was based on written or oral accounts, so Washington Dc was limited in how to see truth from exaggerated account).

It is not like today where Mormons are another church in the country, and the country’s laws protect everyone, even though corruption exists, cases are scrutinized with pretty solid facts, and audio and video tapes.

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