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		<title>By: Consecration or the United Order? &#171; The Contrarian Mormon</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/08/31/would-you-recognize-this-church/comment-page-1/#comment-3715</link>
		<dc:creator>Consecration or the United Order? &#171; The Contrarian Mormon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mentioned this in my previous post, but let me summarize some ward [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mormon Heretic &#187; Successors of Consecration: Tithing and Fast Offerings</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/08/31/would-you-recognize-this-church/comment-page-1/#comment-3534</link>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic &#187; Successors of Consecration: Tithing and Fast Offerings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] may want to review Part 1 and Part 2 of my consecration series as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TheFaithfulDissident</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/08/31/would-you-recognize-this-church/comment-page-1/#comment-3464</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFaithfulDissident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, Fire Tag.  Do you think, though, that those Americans who don&#039;t want their kids listening to Obama are aware of this, or are they just paranoid about him being a &quot;socialist?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, Fire Tag.  Do you think, though, that those Americans who don&#8217;t want their kids listening to Obama are aware of this, or are they just paranoid about him being a &#8220;socialist?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mormon Heretic &#187; United Order vs Consecration</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic &#187; United Order vs Consecration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 04:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mentioned this in my previous post, but let me summarize some ward [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FireTag</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/08/31/would-you-recognize-this-church/comment-page-1/#comment-3461</link>
		<dc:creator>FireTag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;green jobs czar&quot;, Van Jones resigned at about 6 AM this morning (Sunday) on the West Coast where he lived in Oakland. The NY Times report ascribes the resignation to a smear by Glenn Beck because Jones was leading a boycott against Beck. The article refers only to this week&#039;s two big revelations about Jones, and does not note Jones previous &quot;greatest hits&quot; collection: tapes showing him telling audiences that white liberal environmentalists were in league with corporations to force polluters to build factories in black communities (which, not having their social consciousness sufficiently raised, are desperate for the development dollars); that he came out of prison as an avowed communist intent on maintaining alliances with the radical community he found in prison; his claims that white America was spraying toxins on immigrant farmworkers; his attempts to free a black radical convicted of murdering policemen from prison, etc.

Its amazing how many people are in our President&#039;s present and past who have such &quot;greatest hits&quot; collections. You start to get alarmed when General Custer doesn&#039;t seem to know that there&#039;s something moving out there, and it&#039;s not just the Bushes (pun fully intended!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;green jobs czar&#8221;, Van Jones resigned at about 6 AM this morning (Sunday) on the West Coast where he lived in Oakland. The NY Times report ascribes the resignation to a smear by Glenn Beck because Jones was leading a boycott against Beck. The article refers only to this week&#8217;s two big revelations about Jones, and does not note Jones previous &#8220;greatest hits&#8221; collection: tapes showing him telling audiences that white liberal environmentalists were in league with corporations to force polluters to build factories in black communities (which, not having their social consciousness sufficiently raised, are desperate for the development dollars); that he came out of prison as an avowed communist intent on maintaining alliances with the radical community he found in prison; his claims that white America was spraying toxins on immigrant farmworkers; his attempts to free a black radical convicted of murdering policemen from prison, etc.</p>
<p>Its amazing how many people are in our President&#8217;s present and past who have such &#8220;greatest hits&#8221; collections. You start to get alarmed when General Custer doesn&#8217;t seem to know that there&#8217;s something moving out there, and it&#8217;s not just the Bushes (pun fully intended!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been receiving e-mails from my children&#039;s teachers offering an optional activity if I don&#039;t want them watching the Obama speech.  I was told that The White House will release the text of President Obama&#039;s speech on Monday, September 7 at whitehouse.gov/mediaresources. That will help me make an informed decision about whether I want them to watch in on September 8th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been receiving e-mails from my children&#8217;s teachers offering an optional activity if I don&#8217;t want them watching the Obama speech.  I was told that The White House will release the text of President Obama&#8217;s speech on Monday, September 7 at whitehouse.gov/mediaresources. That will help me make an informed decision about whether I want them to watch in on September 8th.</p>
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		<title>By: FireTag</title>
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		<dc:creator>FireTag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FD:

Actually, the concern is national, with at least one suburban school district even here in Washington cancelling it. The speech itself will be innocuous, everyone is sure, but some of the &quot;study guide&quot; materials put out for the speech from underlings in the Department of Education seem to range from partisan to &quot;creepy&quot;.

You have to understand a little of the context. During the Viet Nam era, there was a leftist domestic terrorism organization, the Weather Underground, that carried out acts of violence in which a number of people were killed. For example, a policeman&#039;s home was fire-bombed while a nine-year old boy was inside. The organizations&#039; founders included William Ayers, who openly acknowledges his involvement in the violence today, and remains a committed radical.

Ayers had a rich father, well connected to the political establishment that has ruled Chicago under both Democratic and Republican administrations since the days of Al Capone. After the legal proceedings are over, Ayers&#039; father reintroduces Ayers into the establishment, where Ayers becomes a player first in Chicago and later on the national scene in regard to using the educational system to instill &quot;social consciousness&quot; into students at all levels.

Remember, Ayers does not mean by social consciousness what a Western European means by the term. He remains open about his radical goals; he&#039;s just adopted better tactics than in the 1960&#039;s. I first realized Ayers was, in fact, the Weather Underground leader when my daughter started showing me materials being presented at her college in the social sciences several years ago, and I looked up the authors of this &quot;theory of the role of the social sciences in raising social consciousness&quot;.

The study guides accompanmying the Obama speech seem to contain several elements of a grade-school version of this same &quot;social-consciousness&quot; raising, and many of the employees in the Federal Department of Education were never taught any other way of doing teaching.

Because Obama and Ayers were linked during the campaign (Obama had effective control over one of Ayers&#039; major foundation funding sources for community education activities) and the announcement came on the same week that Obama&#039;s &quot;green jobs czar&quot; was shown to have signed a petition supporting the idea that the CIA carried out the 9/11 attacks, Obama doesn&#039;t need any more connections to ANYTHING that smells radical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FD:</p>
<p>Actually, the concern is national, with at least one suburban school district even here in Washington cancelling it. The speech itself will be innocuous, everyone is sure, but some of the &#8220;study guide&#8221; materials put out for the speech from underlings in the Department of Education seem to range from partisan to &#8220;creepy&#8221;.</p>
<p>You have to understand a little of the context. During the Viet Nam era, there was a leftist domestic terrorism organization, the Weather Underground, that carried out acts of violence in which a number of people were killed. For example, a policeman&#8217;s home was fire-bombed while a nine-year old boy was inside. The organizations&#8217; founders included William Ayers, who openly acknowledges his involvement in the violence today, and remains a committed radical.</p>
<p>Ayers had a rich father, well connected to the political establishment that has ruled Chicago under both Democratic and Republican administrations since the days of Al Capone. After the legal proceedings are over, Ayers&#8217; father reintroduces Ayers into the establishment, where Ayers becomes a player first in Chicago and later on the national scene in regard to using the educational system to instill &#8220;social consciousness&#8221; into students at all levels.</p>
<p>Remember, Ayers does not mean by social consciousness what a Western European means by the term. He remains open about his radical goals; he&#8217;s just adopted better tactics than in the 1960&#8217;s. I first realized Ayers was, in fact, the Weather Underground leader when my daughter started showing me materials being presented at her college in the social sciences several years ago, and I looked up the authors of this &#8220;theory of the role of the social sciences in raising social consciousness&#8221;.</p>
<p>The study guides accompanmying the Obama speech seem to contain several elements of a grade-school version of this same &#8220;social-consciousness&#8221; raising, and many of the employees in the Federal Department of Education were never taught any other way of doing teaching.</p>
<p>Because Obama and Ayers were linked during the campaign (Obama had effective control over one of Ayers&#8217; major foundation funding sources for community education activities) and the announcement came on the same week that Obama&#8217;s &#8220;green jobs czar&#8221; was shown to have signed a petition supporting the idea that the CIA carried out the 9/11 attacks, Obama doesn&#8217;t need any more connections to ANYTHING that smells radical.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFaithfulDissident</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheFaithfulDissident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip, MH!  I actually read something just this morning about what you mentioned about some Utahns being against the Obama speech.  So it&#039;ll be interesting to hear some more about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip, MH!  I actually read something just this morning about what you mentioned about some Utahns being against the Obama speech.  So it&#8217;ll be interesting to hear some more about it.</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 04:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FD, there&#039;s also some news 30 min in about LDS missionaries threatened with deportation in South America, and a Muslim convert to Christianity claiming political asylum because she&#039;s afraid she&#039;ll be killed by her family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FD, there&#8217;s also some news 30 min in about LDS missionaries threatened with deportation in South America, and a Muslim convert to Christianity claiming political asylum because she&#8217;s afraid she&#8217;ll be killed by her family.</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 04:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FD, I think you&#039;ll like to listen to this particular Doug Wright show for a couple of reasons.  Doug is a moderate republican, and starts off talking about some of the hatemail he&#039;s been receiving.  

On Tuesday, Pres Obama is giving a speech to school children about the importance of education.  Some really right-wingnuts (in Utah and other states like Texas) don&#039;t want the children to listen to Obama.  Wright mentions in passing that the Socialist Part quote between about the 5-10 minute mark, I&#039;d say.  (You can skip the first 0-5 minutes--it gives the news along with some commercials, but you may find that interesting since you&#039;re not from around here.)

He also talks about an LDS church leader (&quot;ecclesiastical source&quot;) who also rants against the right-wing nutjobs.  Since you&#039;re more political than me, you may want to write up a post on it.  I think he talks about immigration policy as well.

It&#039;s found at http://pandora.bonnint.net/audio/doug.rss

Go to Sept 3, the 1st hour to hear it.  I listened to about the first 20 minutes, but then I had to go to work, so I couldn&#039;t hear the whole thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FD, I think you&#8217;ll like to listen to this particular Doug Wright show for a couple of reasons.  Doug is a moderate republican, and starts off talking about some of the hatemail he&#8217;s been receiving.  </p>
<p>On Tuesday, Pres Obama is giving a speech to school children about the importance of education.  Some really right-wingnuts (in Utah and other states like Texas) don&#8217;t want the children to listen to Obama.  Wright mentions in passing that the Socialist Part quote between about the 5-10 minute mark, I&#8217;d say.  (You can skip the first 0-5 minutes&#8211;it gives the news along with some commercials, but you may find that interesting since you&#8217;re not from around here.)</p>
<p>He also talks about an LDS church leader (&#8220;ecclesiastical source&#8221;) who also rants against the right-wing nutjobs.  Since you&#8217;re more political than me, you may want to write up a post on it.  I think he talks about immigration policy as well.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s found at <a href="http://pandora.bonnint.net/audio/doug.rss" rel="nofollow">http://pandora.bonnint.net/audio/doug.rss</a></p>
<p>Go to Sept 3, the 1st hour to hear it.  I listened to about the first 20 minutes, but then I had to go to work, so I couldn&#8217;t hear the whole thing.</p>
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