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		<title>By: Mormon Heretic</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/19/the-documentary-hypothesis/comment-page-2/#comment-13513</link>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 03:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the notes Jim.  I need to get back to my study of the Old Testament.  I&#039;ve been involved in more recent Mormon history lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the notes Jim.  I need to get back to my study of the Old Testament.  I&#8217;ve been involved in more recent Mormon history lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys, sorry to post on an old area. But I&#039;ve been studying documentary hypothesis and redactor theory ever since I read Bloom &amp; Rosenberg back in the mid-1990s. It is not &#039;speculation&#039; on Bloom&#039;s part when he locates the Book of J in Solomon&#039;s time, but instead an effort to trace the literary roots of the book. Bloom never pretends to be an archaeologist or a historian of ancient Hebrew. But he does know how to trace patterns of literary influence. He insists that there is not a time period likely to support stories like those in the Book of J with anything like the time period responsible for the stories of David &amp; Solomon. His arguments about the time period of Shakespeare being necessary to support the works of Shakespeare are an example of his type of argument. There is often a preference among LDS scholars for &#039;archaeology&#039; or other types of empirical results over the literary. The way Bloom&#039;s book favors the study of narrative should be the eye-opener for LDS students of the Old Testament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys, sorry to post on an old area. But I&#8217;ve been studying documentary hypothesis and redactor theory ever since I read Bloom &amp; Rosenberg back in the mid-1990s. It is not &#8216;speculation&#8217; on Bloom&#8217;s part when he locates the Book of J in Solomon&#8217;s time, but instead an effort to trace the literary roots of the book. Bloom never pretends to be an archaeologist or a historian of ancient Hebrew. But he does know how to trace patterns of literary influence. He insists that there is not a time period likely to support stories like those in the Book of J with anything like the time period responsible for the stories of David &amp; Solomon. His arguments about the time period of Shakespeare being necessary to support the works of Shakespeare are an example of his type of argument. There is often a preference among LDS scholars for &#8216;archaeology&#8217; or other types of empirical results over the literary. The way Bloom&#8217;s book favors the study of narrative should be the eye-opener for LDS students of the Old Testament.</p>
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		<title>By: The Apocryphal Book of Judith &#124; Wheat and Tares</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/19/the-documentary-hypothesis/comment-page-2/#comment-12534</link>
		<dc:creator>The Apocryphal Book of Judith &#124; Wheat and Tares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] information integrated within the Bible.  For example, there is a brief introduction to the Documentary Hypothesis right before the Book of Genesis.  The Dead Sea Scrolls are the oldest available versions of many [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] information integrated within the Bible.  For example, there is a brief introduction to the Documentary Hypothesis right before the Book of Genesis.  The Dead Sea Scrolls are the oldest available versions of many [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mormon Heretic &#187; The Apocryphal book of Judith</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/19/the-documentary-hypothesis/comment-page-2/#comment-12258</link>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic &#187; The Apocryphal book of Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] information integrated within the Bible.  For example, there is a brief introduction to the Documentary Hypothesis right before the Book of Genesis.  The Dead Sea Scrolls are the oldest available versions of many [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mormon Heretic</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/19/the-documentary-hypothesis/comment-page-2/#comment-4230</link>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bill.  I love this sort of info.  I&#039;m reading too many books right now, but I will get to these.  I have enjoyed listening to speakers from Covenant Theological Seminary in the past, so I am sure I will enjoy them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bill.  I love this sort of info.  I&#8217;m reading too many books right now, but I will get to these.  I have enjoyed listening to speakers from Covenant Theological Seminary in the past, so I am sure I will enjoy them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Atkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a pointer to another source of reasonably good mp3 lectures on the Old and New Testament, this comes from a site called World Wide Classroom : http://worldwide-classroom.com/  which is an evangelical site.  Most of the courses seem to come from Covenant Theological Seminary professors but the ones I have listened to so far ( Judges, Psalms and Wisdom ) though slanted are fundamentally sound as far as I can tell.  They at least acknowledge and understand all of modern Biblical criticism and have a response.  Dr. Phil Long has been my main choice, he does have an interesting look at Saul which was useful. 

In general Long&#039;s defense of the continuity of the books of the Bible as opposed to the fragmentation hypothesized by the Documentary Hypothesis is based on his analysis of the literary structure found in the books.  So for example where the Documentary Hypothesis sees the poetic Song of Deborah in Judges 5 as a very early poetic fragment inserted into the Book of Judges after the prose explanation of Judges 4 of the very same event Dr. Long sees it as simply the author&#039;s way to highlight the event by using poetry.  I don&#039;t know enough to make a judgement but it is an interesting exploration and at least a partial reply to the Documentary Hypoethesis.

MH I will cross post the resource reference to StayLDS in case they want to look at it so don&#039;t be surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a pointer to another source of reasonably good mp3 lectures on the Old and New Testament, this comes from a site called World Wide Classroom : <a href="http://worldwide-classroom.com/" rel="nofollow">http://worldwide-classroom.com/</a>  which is an evangelical site.  Most of the courses seem to come from Covenant Theological Seminary professors but the ones I have listened to so far ( Judges, Psalms and Wisdom ) though slanted are fundamentally sound as far as I can tell.  They at least acknowledge and understand all of modern Biblical criticism and have a response.  Dr. Phil Long has been my main choice, he does have an interesting look at Saul which was useful. </p>
<p>In general Long&#8217;s defense of the continuity of the books of the Bible as opposed to the fragmentation hypothesized by the Documentary Hypothesis is based on his analysis of the literary structure found in the books.  So for example where the Documentary Hypothesis sees the poetic Song of Deborah in Judges 5 as a very early poetic fragment inserted into the Book of Judges after the prose explanation of Judges 4 of the very same event Dr. Long sees it as simply the author&#8217;s way to highlight the event by using poetry.  I don&#8217;t know enough to make a judgement but it is an interesting exploration and at least a partial reply to the Documentary Hypoethesis.</p>
<p>MH I will cross post the resource reference to StayLDS in case they want to look at it so don&#8217;t be surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Mormon Heretic</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/19/the-documentary-hypothesis/comment-page-2/#comment-3663</link>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me know!  That sounds interesting.  I&#039;d like to get into the Bible a bit more.  With my book club, we&#039;re doing quite a bit of Mormon history (which is why I&#039;ve been posting on history so much lately.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me know!  That sounds interesting.  I&#8217;d like to get into the Bible a bit more.  With my book club, we&#8217;re doing quite a bit of Mormon history (which is why I&#8217;ve been posting on history so much lately.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/19/the-documentary-hypothesis/comment-page-2/#comment-3660</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MH

I have some of Margaret Barker&#039;s books on order from Amazon and will let you know what I find as I get into them though that will probably not be till sometime in November.  She seems to argue that the early temple worship was quite different from that of the temple worship at the time of Christ so that will be interesting.  I am going to go back and look at my Nibley stuff on the temple which I read almost a decade ago and see how it might fit in to all of this.  I guess what I am seeing however is some of the motivation behind at least the Deutoronimist revision of the scriptures and understanding just a weeeeee bit just how much that is &quot;plain and precious&quot; might have been lost.  Not to undervalue the Deuteronomist&#039;s work though, by moving the worship practice from a focus on the temple (in a single location , a location they would not have access to for millenia, they allowed the Jewish religion to survive incredible catastrophes, so who is to say that they were or were not inspired?</description>
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<p>I have some of Margaret Barker&#8217;s books on order from Amazon and will let you know what I find as I get into them though that will probably not be till sometime in November.  She seems to argue that the early temple worship was quite different from that of the temple worship at the time of Christ so that will be interesting.  I am going to go back and look at my Nibley stuff on the temple which I read almost a decade ago and see how it might fit in to all of this.  I guess what I am seeing however is some of the motivation behind at least the Deutoronimist revision of the scriptures and understanding just a weeeeee bit just how much that is &#8220;plain and precious&#8221; might have been lost.  Not to undervalue the Deuteronomist&#8217;s work though, by moving the worship practice from a focus on the temple (in a single location , a location they would not have access to for millenia, they allowed the Jewish religion to survive incredible catastrophes, so who is to say that they were or were not inspired?</p>
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		<title>By: Mormon Heretic</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/19/the-documentary-hypothesis/comment-page-2/#comment-3627</link>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds really interesting.  I&#039;d love to hear more about temple practices.  I think they were much different than LDS temple practices.  I went to a fireside by Wilford Griggs, and Egyptologist from BYU.  It was really interesting.  Apparently he makes the case that early cultures had a big temple worship service, and he tries to draw parallels to LDS Temples.  I need to read his books, but they are usually over $100 used!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds really interesting.  I&#8217;d love to hear more about temple practices.  I think they were much different than LDS temple practices.  I went to a fireside by Wilford Griggs, and Egyptologist from BYU.  It was really interesting.  Apparently he makes the case that early cultures had a big temple worship service, and he tries to draw parallels to LDS Temples.  I need to read his books, but they are usually over $100 used!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Atkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MH

Margaret Barker is a Methodist Biblical scholar who has specialized in &quot;restoring&quot; the First Temple worship practices of the Hebrews which she claims were one of the main targets of the Deuteronomist revisions of the Hebrew Bible.  I&#039;ve just ordered a few of her books including: The Older Testament: The Survival of Themes from the Ancient Royal Cult in Sectarian Judaism and Early Christianity.  She uses the full range the apocrapha and other works including material from the Gnostics since she sees that the &quot;refugees&quot; from the Deuteronomist reforms scattered into Arabia and Egypt.  You can see a quick overview at her web site: http://www.margaretbarker.com/index.html and of course there is a wikipedia article as well.

She is interesting in the context of the Documentary Hypothesis because she not only reinforces that insight she gives a sense of the motivation behind the major revision of the Biblical text to conform to a more radical version of monotheism and Mosaic law.</description>
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<p>Margaret Barker is a Methodist Biblical scholar who has specialized in &#8220;restoring&#8221; the First Temple worship practices of the Hebrews which she claims were one of the main targets of the Deuteronomist revisions of the Hebrew Bible.  I&#8217;ve just ordered a few of her books including: The Older Testament: The Survival of Themes from the Ancient Royal Cult in Sectarian Judaism and Early Christianity.  She uses the full range the apocrapha and other works including material from the Gnostics since she sees that the &#8220;refugees&#8221; from the Deuteronomist reforms scattered into Arabia and Egypt.  You can see a quick overview at her web site: <a href="http://www.margaretbarker.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.margaretbarker.com/index.html</a> and of course there is a wikipedia article as well.</p>
<p>She is interesting in the context of the Documentary Hypothesis because she not only reinforces that insight she gives a sense of the motivation behind the major revision of the Biblical text to conform to a more radical version of monotheism and Mosaic law.</p>
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