Comments on: Apostle Paul’s remains? http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/01/apostle-pauls-remains/ Stuff they don't talk about in Sunday School Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:31:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/01/apostle-pauls-remains/comment-page-1/#comment-3267 Mormon Heretic Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:46:38 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=611#comment-3267 Jesus and Paul were masons? I was under the impression that Masonry was invented in the Medieval time period. Jesus and Paul were masons? I was under the impression that Masonry was invented in the Medieval time period.

]]> By: onika http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/01/apostle-pauls-remains/comment-page-1/#comment-3265 onika Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:26:26 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=611#comment-3265 http://books.google.com/books?id=SmusEB_O-7MC&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=governor+of+tiberias&source=bl&ots=dqeCez_zzj&sig=1FQso0RYWsSgiUlNzd_ryan1CCM&hl=en&ei=dZFjSub9NYqssgPXooVn&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4 Read excerpts from "Jesus, Last of the Pharaohs" Paul was Josephus and Jesus and Paul (to some extent) were masons. http://books.google.com/books?id=SmusEB_O-7MC&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=governor+of+tiberias&source=bl&ots=dqeCez_zzj&sig=1FQso0RYWsSgiUlNzd_ryan1CCM&hl=en&ei=dZFjSub9NYqssgPXooVn&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4

Read excerpts from “Jesus, Last of the Pharaohs”

Paul was Josephus and Jesus and Paul (to some extent) were masons.

]]> By: Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/01/apostle-pauls-remains/comment-page-1/#comment-2821 Mormon Heretic Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:13:39 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=611#comment-2821 Jacob, I have mentioned before that the Gnostics were big in Egypt. I'll have to check out your links. Jacob, I have mentioned before that the Gnostics were big in Egypt. I’ll have to check out your links.

]]> By: MH http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/01/apostle-pauls-remains/comment-page-1/#comment-2814 MH Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:45:16 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=611#comment-2814 Gnostic is a really interesting term. Just as the term "protestant" doesn't fully describe one certain belief, but rather several, sometimes conflicting types, so does Gnostic. While I find that Gnostics have some very interesting similarities to Mormon beliefs, some are rather strange. For example, some Gnostics are much more polytheistic. Some believe in 2 Gods--a good God, and a bad God. The bad God created the earth, and his name is Jehovah. The Good God (I forget his name) is trying to get us to return to him. So, I believe the Gnostics had some truths, as well as some falsehoods. In my mind, the Gnostics help illustrate the apostasy better than ever--truths mixed with pagan ideas. FireTag, I love these types of shows. I'm watching "The Exodus Decoded" right now (bought it on iTunes), and I feel another post coming on (to go with Pres Veazey's address--that one looks like 2 posts to me.) Gnostic is a really interesting term. Just as the term “protestant” doesn’t fully describe one certain belief, but rather several, sometimes conflicting types, so does Gnostic.

While I find that Gnostics have some very interesting similarities to Mormon beliefs, some are rather strange. For example, some Gnostics are much more polytheistic. Some believe in 2 Gods–a good God, and a bad God. The bad God created the earth, and his name is Jehovah. The Good God (I forget his name) is trying to get us to return to him.

So, I believe the Gnostics had some truths, as well as some falsehoods. In my mind, the Gnostics help illustrate the apostasy better than ever–truths mixed with pagan ideas.

FireTag, I love these types of shows. I’m watching “The Exodus Decoded” right now (bought it on iTunes), and I feel another post coming on (to go with Pres Veazey’s address–that one looks like 2 posts to me.)

]]> By: FireTag http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/01/apostle-pauls-remains/comment-page-1/#comment-2806 FireTag Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:01:53 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=611#comment-2806 Probably. But different things would have to have been restored. Since Christians were trying to slaughter each other, they were all obviously a little unclear on the concept of Prince of Peace. We think we "know" the correct doctrine, but it's not the knowing, but the living, that matters. Probably. But different things would have to have been restored. Since Christians were trying to slaughter each other, they were all obviously a little unclear on the concept of Prince of Peace.

We think we “know” the correct doctrine, but it’s not the knowing, but the living, that matters.

]]> By: Bishop Rick http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/01/apostle-pauls-remains/comment-page-1/#comment-2805 Bishop Rick Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:11:23 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=611#comment-2805 So if the Gnostics had won out, would there have been a need for a restoration? So if the Gnostics had won out, would there have been a need for a restoration?

]]> By: FireTag http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/01/apostle-pauls-remains/comment-page-1/#comment-2798 FireTag Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:45:04 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=611#comment-2798 <a href="#comment-2758" rel="nofollow">@Mormon Heretic </a> One of those annoying History Channel shows (again) this week pointed out that because it was Constantine, the co-emperor of the Westernmost part of the Western Empire (Britain, Gaul, etc.) who triumphed in the Civil War to take control of Rome, and then took the Eastern Empire a few years later, it was the WESTERN-MOST version of Christianity (Paul's) that ultimately became dominant in the Nicene Creed, and was enforced upon the other centers of Christianity by the Emporer to avoid rioting among Christian sects. Irony indeed. Superior generalship rather than superior theology played a bigger role than we may think. @Mormon Heretic
One of those annoying History Channel shows (again) this week pointed out that because it was Constantine, the co-emperor of the Westernmost part of the Western Empire (Britain, Gaul, etc.) who triumphed in the Civil War to take control of Rome, and then took the Eastern Empire a few years later, it was the WESTERN-MOST version of Christianity (Paul’s) that ultimately became dominant in the Nicene Creed, and was enforced upon the other centers of Christianity by the Emporer to avoid rioting among Christian sects.

Irony indeed. Superior generalship rather than superior theology played a bigger role than we may think.

]]> By: jacob http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/01/apostle-pauls-remains/comment-page-1/#comment-2796 jacob Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:19:43 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=611#comment-2796 Why should anyone care about this fake discovery when a much more important holy relic has already been discovered in Stephan Huller's book, the Real Messiah: http://www.amazon.com/Real-Messiah-Throne-Origins-Christianity/dp/1906787123/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246539906&sr=8-1 Huller went to Venice and proved that the Throne of St. Mark in the Basilica San Marco dates to the beginning of Christianity. It proves that Christianity started in Egypt rather than Rome (the title 'Pope' or Papa is universally acknowledged to have been appropriated from Alexandria). Huller's throne is a real historical object, i.e. it is not a fake. You can see it with your own two eyes the next time you go to Italy. It is also being made into a TV documentary for a US Cable network. Again, why waste your time with this nonsense about 'bones of St. Paul' (the authoritative canon does not specify a location for Paul's death); it is completely fake. You don't have to buy Huller's book. Here are some photos of the throne - www.therealmessiahbook.blogspot.com or go to his blog instead wwww.stephanhuller.blogspot.com. Jacob Why should anyone care about this fake discovery when a much more important holy relic has already been discovered in Stephan Huller’s book, the Real Messiah:

http://www.amazon.com/Real-Messiah-Throne-Origins-Christianity/dp/1906787123/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246539906&sr=8-1

Huller went to Venice and proved that the Throne of St. Mark in the Basilica San Marco dates to the beginning of Christianity. It proves that Christianity started in Egypt rather than Rome (the title ‘Pope’ or Papa is universally acknowledged to have been appropriated from Alexandria).

Huller’s throne is a real historical object, i.e. it is not a fake. You can see it with your own two eyes the next time you go to Italy. It is also being made into a TV documentary for a US Cable network.

Again, why waste your time with this nonsense about ‘bones of St. Paul’ (the authoritative canon does not specify a location for Paul’s death); it is completely fake.

You don’t have to buy Huller’s book. Here are some photos of the throne – http://www.therealmessiahbook.blogspot.com or go to his blog instead wwww.stephanhuller.blogspot.com.

Jacob

]]> By: MH http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/01/apostle-pauls-remains/comment-page-1/#comment-2777 MH Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:19:27 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=611#comment-2777 Bishop Rick, you should check out the hyperlink on Montanism in comment 6. I think there are some really cool similarities between Montanus and Joseph Smith. Bishop Rick, you should check out the hyperlink on Montanism in comment 6. I think there are some really cool similarities between Montanus and Joseph Smith.

]]> By: Bishop Rick http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/07/01/apostle-pauls-remains/comment-page-1/#comment-2774 Bishop Rick Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:10:35 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=611#comment-2774 I was wondering who would call me on Gnosticism...should have known it would be swift and MH. I have to admit, I don't know anything about Montanism. I think the credit that Paul gets is deserved though, since it is his form that survived. I was wondering who would call me on Gnosticism…should have known it would be swift and MH. I have to admit, I don’t know anything about Montanism.

I think the credit that Paul gets is deserved though, since it is his form that survived.

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