Comments on: Sketch of Sidney Rigdon – Part 2 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/23/sketch-of-sidney-rigdon-part-2/ Stuff they don't talk about in Sunday School Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:03:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: mormon heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/23/sketch-of-sidney-rigdon-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1770 mormon heretic Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:46:23 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=334#comment-1770 I remember one of John Dehlin's podcasts that said that many of Joseph's revelations came about because of other's input. The WoW came because of Emma; Sidney Rigdon--Consecration; and there are others, but I can't think of them right now. So, yes, I think a case could be made that communalism may not have occurred unless someone hadn't asked Joseph about it. Joseph was much more liberal about theology than current mormons. Even the 13th article of faith is more liberal that we practice, "if there is anything virtuous, lovely, or or good report, or praiseworthy, we seek after these things." Well, we don't celebrate St Patrick's contributions to Christianity, we don't celebrate women holding the priesthood, we don't celebrate things from buddhism, etc. But I believe that Joseph was more likely to collect these ideas into mormonism. <i>"Is there room in the Mormon view of the development of doctrine and practice to allow for the input of humans like Joseph and Sidney apart from the revelations they receive?"</i> I believe there was in the days of Joseph, but it is much tougher to embrace now. One need only look at the number of revelations received before and after 1844 to see a huge disparity in new ideas. Even the 1978 revelation isn't afforded its own section in the D&C. I remember one of John Dehlin’s podcasts that said that many of Joseph’s revelations came about because of other’s input. The WoW came because of Emma; Sidney Rigdon–Consecration; and there are others, but I can’t think of them right now. So, yes, I think a case could be made that communalism may not have occurred unless someone hadn’t asked Joseph about it.

Joseph was much more liberal about theology than current mormons. Even the 13th article of faith is more liberal that we practice, “if there is anything virtuous, lovely, or or good report, or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.” Well, we don’t celebrate St Patrick’s contributions to Christianity, we don’t celebrate women holding the priesthood, we don’t celebrate things from buddhism, etc. But I believe that Joseph was more likely to collect these ideas into mormonism.

“Is there room in the Mormon view of the development of doctrine and practice to allow for the input of humans like Joseph and Sidney apart from the revelations they receive?” I believe there was in the days of Joseph, but it is much tougher to embrace now. One need only look at the number of revelations received before and after 1844 to see a huge disparity in new ideas. Even the 1978 revelation isn’t afforded its own section in the D&C.

]]> By: Sanford http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/23/sketch-of-sidney-rigdon-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1769 Sanford Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:04:31 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/?p=334#comment-1769 It seems that Van Wagoner credits Sidney with prompting much of the communalism that Joseph adopted pursuant to revelation. That being the case, would the United Oor rder or consecration other forms of communalism have occurred had Sidney not joined the Church? Or is that too secular a view of the origins of Mormon communalism? Is there room in the Mormon view of the development of doctrine and practice to allow for the input of humans like Joseph and Sidney apart from the revelations they receive? It seems that Van Wagoner credits Sidney with prompting much of the communalism that Joseph adopted pursuant to revelation. That being the case, would the United Oor rder or consecration other forms of communalism have occurred had Sidney not joined the Church? Or is that too secular a view of the origins of Mormon communalism? Is there room in the Mormon view of the development of doctrine and practice to allow for the input of humans like Joseph and Sidney apart from the revelations they receive?

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