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	<title>Comments on: The Story of St. Patrick</title>
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	<description>Stuff they don't talk about in Sunday School</description>
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		<title>By: The Teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/16/the-story-of-st-patrick/comment-page-1/#comment-1741</link>
		<dc:creator>The Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, most members would agree with the Whitney statement if asked, but they (we all?) are often imprecise about expressing our thoughts on things like the apostasty, the One True Church, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, most members would agree with the Whitney statement if asked, but they (we all?) are often imprecise about expressing our thoughts on things like the apostasty, the One True Church, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/16/the-story-of-st-patrick/comment-page-1/#comment-1735</link>
		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link.  Even though the GA&#039;s have said this, I&#039;m not sure that most members believe this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link.  Even though the GA&#8217;s have said this, I&#8217;m not sure that most members believe this.</p>
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		<title>By: The Teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/16/the-story-of-st-patrick/comment-page-1/#comment-1730</link>
		<dc:creator>The Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heretic:  Thanks.  This was very interesting and timely.  For some good information on inaccurate beliefs about &quot;the dark ages&quot; there is an older post at Mormon Matters (link below) that contains some good quotes.  I especially liked these:

“The line of priesthood authority was broken. But mankind was not left in total darkness or completely without revelation or inspiration. The idea that with the Crucifixion of Christ the heavens were closed and that they opened in the First Vision is not true. The Light of Christ would be everywhere present to attend the children of God; the Holy Ghost would visit seeking souls. The prayers of the righteous would not go unanswered.” Elder Boyd K. Packer [1]

“All down the ages . . . good and great men, not bearing the Priesthood, but possessing profundity of thought, great wisdom, and a desire to uplift their fellows, have been sent by the Almighty into many nations, to give them, not the fullness of the Gospel, but that portion of truth that they were able to receive and wisely use.” Elder Orson F. Whitney, quoted by Elder Howard W. Hunter


Here is the link:  http://mormonmatters.org/2008/01/21/mythbusters-the-one-true-church/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heretic:  Thanks.  This was very interesting and timely.  For some good information on inaccurate beliefs about &#8220;the dark ages&#8221; there is an older post at Mormon Matters (link below) that contains some good quotes.  I especially liked these:</p>
<p>“The line of priesthood authority was broken. But mankind was not left in total darkness or completely without revelation or inspiration. The idea that with the Crucifixion of Christ the heavens were closed and that they opened in the First Vision is not true. The Light of Christ would be everywhere present to attend the children of God; the Holy Ghost would visit seeking souls. The prayers of the righteous would not go unanswered.” Elder Boyd K. Packer [1]</p>
<p>“All down the ages . . . good and great men, not bearing the Priesthood, but possessing profundity of thought, great wisdom, and a desire to uplift their fellows, have been sent by the Almighty into many nations, to give them, not the fullness of the Gospel, but that portion of truth that they were able to receive and wisely use.” Elder Orson F. Whitney, quoted by Elder Howard W. Hunter</p>
<p>Here is the link:  <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/2008/01/21/mythbusters-the-one-true-church/" rel="nofollow">http://mormonmatters.org/2008/01/21/mythbusters-the-one-true-church/</a></p>
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		<title>By: mormon heretic</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/16/the-story-of-st-patrick/comment-page-1/#comment-1727</link>
		<dc:creator>mormon heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FD,

I used to listen to a Catholic/Mormon Podcast on iTunes, and the author used to talk about Catholic saints.  I really found the stories inspirational.  I think we mormons don&#039;t properly credit that everyone can have a spiritual experience.  We think Catholics/Lutherans/Baptists are all just misguided souls, and tend to almost pity them for their lack of priesthood and spiritual knowledge we have.  We fail to recognize that God does play a role in their lives, that they do have spiritual experiences as we do, and that God loves them just as much as he loves us.  I think this is really unfortunate.

I used to live in the New England area, and had occasion to participate in other faiths much more than I do here in Utah.  One of the guys in my deacon&#039;s quorum, had a Jewish father, and a Mormon mother.  Even though he was a baptized mormon, and ordained deacon, his father made him participate in a bar mitzvah.  I think half of our ward attended the jewish service (on Saturday, so it didn&#039;t interfere with our service, but I think our ward would have come on Sunday even if it did interfere.)  Tom recited all the Hebrew scriptures, it was one of the coolest experiences I have ever had.  The last I heard, Tom was serving in the bishopric there.

Honestly, I think that&#039;s really cool you attended a christening.  I really wish I had more non-member religious friends so I could attend these sort of occasions, because I think they&#039;re wonderful experiences.  I have often wondered if the mormon baby blessing was developed to be a sort of substitute for a baby christening.

I was also interested that the Irish felt so strongly about Bridget of Kildare.  I noticed someone wrote a comment about the role of women in Gnosticism on your &quot;femiphobic&quot; post.  The more I study early Christianity, the more I realize women had a much bigger role than we acknowledge.  I wonder if the Apostasy also cut down the role of women, and I wonder if we mormons have adopted a patriarchal role in the church instead of a more equal partnership with women.

Anthony,

I  had not heard of Ogam.  Is this Joseph Smith papyri, the Book of Abraham, or something else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FD,</p>
<p>I used to listen to a Catholic/Mormon Podcast on iTunes, and the author used to talk about Catholic saints.  I really found the stories inspirational.  I think we mormons don&#8217;t properly credit that everyone can have a spiritual experience.  We think Catholics/Lutherans/Baptists are all just misguided souls, and tend to almost pity them for their lack of priesthood and spiritual knowledge we have.  We fail to recognize that God does play a role in their lives, that they do have spiritual experiences as we do, and that God loves them just as much as he loves us.  I think this is really unfortunate.</p>
<p>I used to live in the New England area, and had occasion to participate in other faiths much more than I do here in Utah.  One of the guys in my deacon&#8217;s quorum, had a Jewish father, and a Mormon mother.  Even though he was a baptized mormon, and ordained deacon, his father made him participate in a bar mitzvah.  I think half of our ward attended the jewish service (on Saturday, so it didn&#8217;t interfere with our service, but I think our ward would have come on Sunday even if it did interfere.)  Tom recited all the Hebrew scriptures, it was one of the coolest experiences I have ever had.  The last I heard, Tom was serving in the bishopric there.</p>
<p>Honestly, I think that&#8217;s really cool you attended a christening.  I really wish I had more non-member religious friends so I could attend these sort of occasions, because I think they&#8217;re wonderful experiences.  I have often wondered if the mormon baby blessing was developed to be a sort of substitute for a baby christening.</p>
<p>I was also interested that the Irish felt so strongly about Bridget of Kildare.  I noticed someone wrote a comment about the role of women in Gnosticism on your &#8220;femiphobic&#8221; post.  The more I study early Christianity, the more I realize women had a much bigger role than we acknowledge.  I wonder if the Apostasy also cut down the role of women, and I wonder if we mormons have adopted a patriarchal role in the church instead of a more equal partnership with women.</p>
<p>Anthony,</p>
<p>I  had not heard of Ogam.  Is this Joseph Smith papyri, the Book of Abraham, or something else?</p>
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		<title>By: St Patrick, a Wonderful Missionary at Mormon Matters</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/16/the-story-of-st-patrick/comment-page-1/#comment-1726</link>
		<dc:creator>St Patrick, a Wonderful Missionary at Mormon Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Since today is St Patrick&#8217;s Day, I wanted to write a quick post about St Patrick.  Few people know his story.  I know that Mormons love to tell and listen to great missionary stories, and I think Patrick is an example of forgiveness, missionary work, and Christian service.  I&#8217;ll keep it brief, but a longer version of this post can be found here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Since today is St Patrick&#8217;s Day, I wanted to write a quick post about St Patrick.  Few people know his story.  I know that Mormons love to tell and listen to great missionary stories, and I think Patrick is an example of forgiveness, missionary work, and Christian service.  I&#8217;ll keep it brief, but a longer version of this post can be found here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony E. Larson</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/16/the-story-of-st-patrick/comment-page-1/#comment-1725</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony E. Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. One of the alphabets that those diligent Irish monks preserved was Ogam. They preserved several variations, in fact, as I recall. In any case, this is a vital link to ancient history that few scholars know of or care to acknowledge. It&#039;s one of the keys to deciphering ancient marking on stone among the Celt-Iberian peoples and similar findings in North America, making such evidence supportive of Joseph Smith&#039;s claim of migrations from the Old World to the New. Certainly, Mormons know nothing of Ogam, even though it is in plain evidence on the Joseph Smith papyri, faithfully preserved there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. One of the alphabets that those diligent Irish monks preserved was Ogam. They preserved several variations, in fact, as I recall. In any case, this is a vital link to ancient history that few scholars know of or care to acknowledge. It&#8217;s one of the keys to deciphering ancient marking on stone among the Celt-Iberian peoples and similar findings in North America, making such evidence supportive of Joseph Smith&#8217;s claim of migrations from the Old World to the New. Certainly, Mormons know nothing of Ogam, even though it is in plain evidence on the Joseph Smith papyri, faithfully preserved there.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFaithfulDissident</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/16/the-story-of-st-patrick/comment-page-1/#comment-1724</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFaithfulDissident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s unfortunate that so many of us Mormons know so little about Christian history (including me).  I think that Lutheran priest had a good point.

I&#039;ve heard GA&#039;s often refer to the Reformation and praise those like Martin Luther who were inspired to lift mankind out of a spiritual darkness.  But perhaps we&#039;re too much of the mindset that everything that happened between the Great Apostasy and the Reformation (or perhaps even the Restoration) was generally dark and uninspired in nature and therefore of no spiritual value to us.  Some would even perhaps assume that people in the Dark Ages didn&#039;t feel the Spirit or ever receive inspiration from God because it was, after all, the &lt;i&gt;Dark&lt;/i&gt; Ages.

And I agree with you that we Mormons tend to look down upon other Christian religions for &quot;changing&quot; everything after Jesus and all the Apostles were gone.  Well, yes, but there are some beautiful aspects to their faiths, whether it be Catholic, Lutheran, whatever.  A couple of months ago I was able to attend the Lutheran christening of our best friends&#039; baby, (which means that yes, I had to skip my own church that day).  I know that the Book of Mormon has some harsh words about baptizing infants and, of course, it&#039;s not something I personally believe in or would do myself.  But it really is a beautiful thing and cause for celebration for the parents and families because it&#039;s what &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that so many of us Mormons know so little about Christian history (including me).  I think that Lutheran priest had a good point.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard GA&#8217;s often refer to the Reformation and praise those like Martin Luther who were inspired to lift mankind out of a spiritual darkness.  But perhaps we&#8217;re too much of the mindset that everything that happened between the Great Apostasy and the Reformation (or perhaps even the Restoration) was generally dark and uninspired in nature and therefore of no spiritual value to us.  Some would even perhaps assume that people in the Dark Ages didn&#8217;t feel the Spirit or ever receive inspiration from God because it was, after all, the <i>Dark</i> Ages.</p>
<p>And I agree with you that we Mormons tend to look down upon other Christian religions for &#8220;changing&#8221; everything after Jesus and all the Apostles were gone.  Well, yes, but there are some beautiful aspects to their faiths, whether it be Catholic, Lutheran, whatever.  A couple of months ago I was able to attend the Lutheran christening of our best friends&#8217; baby, (which means that yes, I had to skip my own church that day).  I know that the Book of Mormon has some harsh words about baptizing infants and, of course, it&#8217;s not something I personally believe in or would do myself.  But it really is a beautiful thing and cause for celebration for the parents and families because it&#8217;s what <i>they</i> believe.</p>
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