Comments on: Significance of Cohen Haplotype http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/ Stuff they don't talk about in Sunday School Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:23:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: Tim http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-12833 Tim Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:02:27 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/#comment-12833 Though the Book of Mormon does not specifically say so, the Lamanites, after their arrival to the Americas, are suspected of mixing with another darker-skinned people who were already dwelling in the Americas. Could these darker-skinned people have been descendants of the Jaredites? No, they were all destroyed, and they were not dark-skinned. But, how about descendants of the "friends of Jared" and his brother? I find it interesting that the friends of Jared and his brother are treated/mentioned separately and even numbered separately... as though they are 'special' in some way. Perhaps dark-skinned? We know that the Jaredites self-destructed, but the record doesn't say anything about what happened to the descendants of the friends of Jared and his brother. Perhaps, being different, they distanced themselves from the Jaredites and went off and did their own thing. Perhaps they remained upon the land after the Jaredites vanished. Perhaps they came to be called Lamanites because they merged with Lamanites. Perhaps this is why Hebrew DNA has not been found to be abundant in Native Americans. Just something to think about. Though the Book of Mormon does not specifically say so, the Lamanites, after their arrival to the Americas, are suspected of mixing with another darker-skinned people who were already dwelling in the Americas. Could these darker-skinned people have been descendants of the Jaredites? No, they were all destroyed, and they were not dark-skinned. But, how about descendants of the “friends of Jared” and his brother? I find it interesting that the friends of Jared and his brother are treated/mentioned separately and even numbered separately… as though they are ‘special’ in some way. Perhaps dark-skinned?

We know that the Jaredites self-destructed, but the record doesn’t say anything about what happened to the descendants of the friends of Jared and his brother. Perhaps, being different, they distanced themselves from the Jaredites and went off and did their own thing. Perhaps they remained upon the land after the Jaredites vanished. Perhaps they came to be called Lamanites because they merged with Lamanites. Perhaps this is why Hebrew DNA has not been found to be abundant in Native Americans. Just something to think about.

]]> By: Astral_lds http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-12470 Astral_lds Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:33:03 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/#comment-12470 I didn't realize that I'd accessed this site that long ago. MH I do not reject the findings in regards to the Lemba. I would argue that southern Africa hasn't had the mass genocide that America did. I thought that you might like the following article about what we do and do not know about the DNA of ancient Israel. The only way to know would be to do a DNA analysis of skeletons. what always has baffled me is that the Jews claim to know where Abraham , Issac, Jacob , Joseph and their wife's are buried. It could all be settled in the Jews would allow an archaeological dig at the cave. www.bmaf.org/node/430 I didn’t realize that I’d accessed this site that long ago. MH I do not reject the findings in regards to the Lemba. I would argue that southern Africa hasn’t had the mass genocide that America did. I thought that you might like the following article about what we do and do not know about the DNA of ancient Israel.
The only way to know would be to do a DNA analysis of skeletons.
what always has baffled me is that the Jews claim to know where Abraham , Issac, Jacob , Joseph and their wife’s are buried.
It could all be settled in the Jews would allow an archaeological dig at the cave.
http://www.bmaf.org/node/430

]]> By: DNA AND DYNASTIC CHRONOLOGIES « The Fire Still Burning http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-3760 DNA AND DYNASTIC CHRONOLOGIES « The Fire Still Burning Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:01:55 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/#comment-3760 [...] LDS and Community of Christ apologetics stumble in the face of this evidence. (Thanks to Mormon Heretic for publishing the Southerton link and some additional Southerton comments on the issue.) The DNA [...] [...] LDS and Community of Christ apologetics stumble in the face of this evidence. (Thanks to Mormon Heretic for publishing the Southerton link and some additional Southerton comments on the issue.) The DNA [...]

]]> By: FireTag http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-3722 FireTag Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:24:47 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/#comment-3722 I'm drafting the post now and expect to have it up this week. I’m drafting the post now and expect to have it up this week.

]]> By: Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-3721 Mormon Heretic Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:51:03 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/#comment-3721 FireTag, I'm not following you. Can you explain further? FireTag, I’m not following you. Can you explain further?

]]> By: FireTag http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-3719 FireTag Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:02:19 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/#comment-3719 Fascinating retrieve from the archives, MH. Southernton's sunnary of the DNA evidence is wonderful, and definitely means I've got to pull together a post on it. Hint: I wonder if LDS apologists know how ro take yes for an answer? Evidence that the founding populations of America came out of Siberia 20,000 years or so ago is what they need -- not evidence that shows Israelite linage 2500 years ago. Fascinating retrieve from the archives, MH. Southernton’s sunnary of the DNA evidence is wonderful, and definitely means I’ve got to pull together a post on it.

Hint: I wonder if LDS apologists know how ro take yes for an answer? Evidence that the founding populations of America came out of Siberia 20,000 years or so ago is what they need — not evidence that shows Israelite linage 2500 years ago.

]]> By: Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-3714 Mormon Heretic Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:33:22 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/#comment-3714 Astral_lds, I don't know if you've seen my post on <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/05/31/similarities-between-the-lemba-and-lehi/" rel="nofollow">the Lemba Tribe in Africa.</a> Scientists have been able to confirm this African Tribe has Israelite DNA. This group with genetic markers from Israel obviously mixed with the African population. Do you reject these findings? Astral_lds,

I don’t know if you’ve seen my post on the Lemba Tribe in Africa. Scientists have been able to confirm this African Tribe has Israelite DNA. This group with genetic markers from Israel obviously mixed with the African population. Do you reject these findings?

]]> By: Astral_lds http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-3711 Astral_lds Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:12:20 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/#comment-3711 I find using current populations to determine ancient DNA lineages problematic. In the last 500 years with the impact of European settlement on Native Americans who knows what percentage of lineages became extinct. I've read that something like 90% of the indigenous population became extinct. So what likelihood is their of finding links to BofM lineages I find using current populations to determine ancient DNA lineages problematic. In the last 500 years with the impact of European settlement on Native Americans who knows what percentage of lineages became extinct. I’ve read that something like 90% of the indigenous population became extinct. So what likelihood is their of finding links to BofM lineages

]]> By: Unconventional Book of Mormon Geography Theories at Mormon Matters http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-1939 Unconventional Book of Mormon Geography Theories at Mormon Matters Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:01:25 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/#comment-1939 [...] DNA evidence seems to be better.  While not endorsing the Malay Theory, Simon Southerton even commented on my blog that “I’m not aware of any DNA evidence from South East Asia linking populations there [...] [...] DNA evidence seems to be better.  While not endorsing the Malay Theory, Simon Southerton even commented on my blog that “I’m not aware of any DNA evidence from South East Asia linking populations there [...]

]]> By: MH http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/comment-page-1/#comment-518 MH Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:16:18 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/#comment-518 Tom, thanks for the link. Simon did say "I’m not aware of any DNA evidence from South East Asia linking populations there with the Middle East." Since he's not aware, I'm helping make him aware. Perhaps it is kooky, but he didn't seem to mind talking about kooky BoM DNA. Perhaps this kooky jewish DNA problem is similar to BoM DNA, perhaps it is not. Besides, I don't have a subscription to any kooky Scriptural DNA journals, and I'd really like an opinion from someone I respect. Tom, thanks for the link. Simon did say “I’m not aware of any DNA evidence from South East Asia linking populations there with the Middle East.”

Since he’s not aware, I’m helping make him aware. Perhaps it is kooky, but he didn’t seem to mind talking about kooky BoM DNA. Perhaps this kooky jewish DNA problem is similar to BoM DNA, perhaps it is not. Besides, I don’t have a subscription to any kooky Scriptural DNA journals, and I’d really like an opinion from someone I respect.

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