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	<title>Comments on: Hebrew DNA found in South America</title>
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		<title>By: Mormon Heretic &#187; 10 Reasons Why the Book of Mormon Took Place in Peru</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/13/hebrew-dna-found-in-south-america/comment-page-1/#comment-3741</link>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic &#187; 10 Reasons Why the Book of Mormon Took Place in Peru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] previously quoted from Potter&#8217;s newsletter when he heralded an iron ore discovery and Cohen DNA in Peru. What do you think?    Categories: Archeology, Book of Mormon, Geography, Mormon, Mormon [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] previously quoted from Potter&#8217;s newsletter when he heralded an iron ore discovery and Cohen DNA in Peru. What do you think?    Categories: Archeology, Book of Mormon, Geography, Mormon, Mormon [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A South American Setting for Book of Mormon at Mormon Matters</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/13/hebrew-dna-found-in-south-america/comment-page-1/#comment-2231</link>
		<dc:creator>A South American Setting for Book of Mormon at Mormon Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently claimed on his website that Hebrew DNA and iron were found here.  However, I believe the Jewish DNA claims could be related to Spanish [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently claimed on his website that Hebrew DNA and iron were found here.  However, I believe the Jewish DNA claims could be related to Spanish [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mormon Heretic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A South American Model for the Book of Mormon</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/13/hebrew-dna-found-in-south-america/comment-page-1/#comment-2183</link>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A South American Model for the Book of Mormon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 04:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently claimed on his website that Hebrew DNA and iron were found here.  However, I believe the Jewish DNA claims could be related to Spanish [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently claimed on his website that Hebrew DNA and iron were found here.  However, I believe the Jewish DNA claims could be related to Spanish [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/13/hebrew-dna-found-in-south-america/comment-page-1/#comment-814</link>
		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keanan,

I doubt South Americans were referred to as &quot;Americans&quot; in Joseph&#039;s lifetime.  An American is generally considered someone from the USA.  Joseph also seemed pretty adamant that the New Jerusalem would be built in Missouri, not South or Central America.

The Book of Mormon seems to refer to Columbus as a gentile, and seems to refer to the Mother of Gentiles as Britain.  I&#039;m not really following your line of logic that anyone baptized as a Jew.  While the Jews practiced mikvah, this still seems quite different than a Christian baptism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keanan,</p>
<p>I doubt South Americans were referred to as &#8220;Americans&#8221; in Joseph&#8217;s lifetime.  An American is generally considered someone from the USA.  Joseph also seemed pretty adamant that the New Jerusalem would be built in Missouri, not South or Central America.</p>
<p>The Book of Mormon seems to refer to Columbus as a gentile, and seems to refer to the Mother of Gentiles as Britain.  I&#8217;m not really following your line of logic that anyone baptized as a Jew.  While the Jews practiced mikvah, this still seems quite different than a Christian baptism.</p>
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		<title>By: Keanan</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/13/hebrew-dna-found-in-south-america/comment-page-1/#comment-810</link>
		<dc:creator>Keanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zelph, I only skimmed parts of this, but I saw your comment on THIS CONTINENT. Many people consider the North and South American continents as one. I know for a fact that this is common in some Central American Countries, for example. I believe this view was held in the lifetime of Joseph Smith as our 10th Article of Faith says:

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

Many of the &quot;mistakes&quot; are similar.
The Book of Mormon often calls anyone baptized, and thus at least adopted into the house of Israel, &quot;Jews.&quot; Why, then, would it be so odd for the Lord to call the Native Americans Lamanites, even if the majority of their DNA might come from the Jaredites, the Mulekites, etc?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zelph, I only skimmed parts of this, but I saw your comment on THIS CONTINENT. Many people consider the North and South American continents as one. I know for a fact that this is common in some Central American Countries, for example. I believe this view was held in the lifetime of Joseph Smith as our 10th Article of Faith says:</p>
<p>We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.</p>
<p>Many of the &#8220;mistakes&#8221; are similar.<br />
The Book of Mormon often calls anyone baptized, and thus at least adopted into the house of Israel, &#8220;Jews.&#8221; Why, then, would it be so odd for the Lord to call the Native Americans Lamanites, even if the majority of their DNA might come from the Jaredites, the Mulekites, etc?</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/13/hebrew-dna-found-in-south-america/comment-page-1/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll call you U-T, for Urim and Thummim.

I encourage to you read the book &quot;Rough Stone Rolling&quot;, by Richard Bushman.  Bushman is a former stake president, and highly regarded orthodox LDS scholar.  He recently took the chair of Mormon Studies at Claremont University in California.  (Claremont has a well-regarded religious studies dept.)

Anyway, he goes into great detail, and you will learn that Joseph didn&#039;t really use the Urim &amp; Thummin very much.  Once he got the &quot;hang of it&quot;, he translated much as you suggest.  His bible translation was done completely without any aid of U-T, or seer stones.  Now, Bushman removes much of the mythology of Joseph, so be prepared to learn some stuff the church doesn&#039;t emphasize.  Some people have been quite umcomfortable to learn this stuff, but it is true, meticulously researched, and Bushman shows that you don&#039;t have to lose your testimony when you learn this stuff.

I&#039;m not sure what you mean by your DNA question.  There is maternal and paternal DNA patterns, so one should be able to trace back to either the fathers father, or mothers mother.

You may want to check out my post on Persians and Arabs, at http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/09/25/whats-the-difference-between-arabs-persians/

I go into a little bit about race identification there. 

Also, the Cohen gene post has more info as well at http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/

You can also click on my tag &quot;DNA&quot; to see most everything I&#039;ve written on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll call you U-T, for Urim and Thummim.</p>
<p>I encourage to you read the book &#8220;Rough Stone Rolling&#8221;, by Richard Bushman.  Bushman is a former stake president, and highly regarded orthodox LDS scholar.  He recently took the chair of Mormon Studies at Claremont University in California.  (Claremont has a well-regarded religious studies dept.)</p>
<p>Anyway, he goes into great detail, and you will learn that Joseph didn&#8217;t really use the Urim &amp; Thummin very much.  Once he got the &#8220;hang of it&#8221;, he translated much as you suggest.  His bible translation was done completely without any aid of U-T, or seer stones.  Now, Bushman removes much of the mythology of Joseph, so be prepared to learn some stuff the church doesn&#8217;t emphasize.  Some people have been quite umcomfortable to learn this stuff, but it is true, meticulously researched, and Bushman shows that you don&#8217;t have to lose your testimony when you learn this stuff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by your DNA question.  There is maternal and paternal DNA patterns, so one should be able to trace back to either the fathers father, or mothers mother.</p>
<p>You may want to check out my post on Persians and Arabs, at <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/09/25/whats-the-difference-between-arabs-persians/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/09/25/whats-the-difference-between-arabs-persians/</a></p>
<p>I go into a little bit about race identification there. </p>
<p>Also, the Cohen gene post has more info as well at <a href="http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/16/significance-of-cohen-haplotype/</a></p>
<p>You can also click on my tag &#8220;DNA&#8221; to see most everything I&#8217;ve written on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Why were the Urim and Thummim and breastplate even needed? Can't God just give you the power of translation?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why were the Urim and Thummim and breastplate even needed? Can't God just give you the power of translation?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One question for everyone.Why were the Urim and Thummim and breastplate even needed? Can&#039;t God just give you the power of translation? I went on a Mission! Did I miss something and/or is this a stupid question?
  
  Been trying to resolve the whole DNA thing in my head for a while now. Kind of a science freak. Does DNA really prove any thing other than many of our  foremothers procreated a bunch or do we look at obvious physical and cultural equity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One question for everyone.Why were the Urim and Thummim and breastplate even needed? Can&#8217;t God just give you the power of translation? I went on a Mission! Did I miss something and/or is this a stupid question?</p>
<p>  Been trying to resolve the whole DNA thing in my head for a while now. Kind of a science freak. Does DNA really prove any thing other than many of our  foremothers procreated a bunch or do we look at obvious physical and cultural equity.</p>
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		<title>By: mormon heretic</title>
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		<dc:creator>mormon heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 03:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, thanks for the link.  I did not know this important fact that the Native Americans had not been tested.  This fact even diminishes further the possibility of jewish DNA among the Indians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, thanks for the link.  I did not know this important fact that the Native Americans had not been tested.  This fact even diminishes further the possibility of jewish DNA among the Indians.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch. Woodwards research posted on his website. They found “Cohen modal haplotype” among modern Europeans living in South America. They didn&#039;t test Native Americans. Check it out yourself. It&#039;s on Woodwards website.  I though Woodwards comments very strange considering this little detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch. Woodwards research posted on his website. They found “Cohen modal haplotype” among modern Europeans living in South America. They didn&#8217;t test Native Americans. Check it out yourself. It&#8217;s on Woodwards website.  I though Woodwards comments very strange considering this little detail.</p>
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		<title>By: Mormon Heretic</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/05/13/hebrew-dna-found-in-south-america/comment-page-1/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found some interesting comments along this same line of thought at Hieing to Kolob http://kolobiv.blogspot.com/2008/05/why-dna-and-bom-dont-mix.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found some interesting comments along this same line of thought at Hieing to Kolob <a href="http://kolobiv.blogspot.com/2008/05/why-dna-and-bom-dont-mix.html" rel="nofollow">http://kolobiv.blogspot.com/2008/05/why-dna-and-bom-dont-mix.html</a></p>
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