Well I have been in active for about 2.5 years and a big reason for this was my parents divorce and lack of fellowship in any wards around me. I have to agree a lot of wards are exactly how you described…

But a bit of what you said in your post has struck something with me… Perhaps I will give it another go. Idk

Anyway thanks to your insight

I’m sure you’re aware that the church allows Mormons in Israel to observe the Sabbath on Saturday in Israel. As I recall the justification for this is that it is more important that we observe a day of rest, than which day the Sabbath is observed. Likewise, it is more important to partake of the sacrament, even if we use water instead of wine. I think the church employs similar reasoning for these two issues.

Interesting that you bring up Easter/Passover as a comparative example. Were you aware that Polycarp insisted that the resurrection celebration (not Easter) should be celebrated on the day it occurred (which was a movable date) and not on Sunday. Polycarp was an associate of the Apostle John and took that tradition from him. Both Polycarp and John disagreed with celebrating a sacred event on a Pagan holiday even though some Bishops in the Roman church suggested it should be on Sunday since that was the day of the week that the original event took place. It wasn’t until the council of Nicea that this event was declared to be celebrated on Sunday, and the name of Easter was associated much later as it was a Pagan event celebrating the Fertility goddess (ihstor) around the same time as Passover and the resurrection celebration.

There is just too much evidence against a Sunday Sabbath for me, and only supposition supporting it.

This is pretty comp

“Historically and symbolically related to the Jewish harvest festival of Shavuot, which commemorates God giving the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai fifty days after the Exodus, Pentecost now also commemorates the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles and other followers of Jesus as described in the Book of Acts, Chapter 2 in the New Testament. For this reason, Pentecost is sometimes described as “the Church’s birthday”.

In my mind, this is a bit like Passover/Easter. It isn’t really appropriate to say that Easter predates Christ as the Passover. Easter is the Christian version of the Passover Festival, but it does not pre-date Christ. Similarly, the Day of Pentecost seems to be the Christian version of Shavuot, but I don’t think it is accurate to say that Day of Pentecost predates Christ.

Nutcase was a term of endearment, but you have to admit, Hosea jumps around a bit.
The timeline mentioned in Hosea seems to be referring to the time at hand which is long before 300 AD. If you read the entire book, its hard (for me at least) to conclude he was predicting Constantine’s declaration.

When Mary came to the garden tomb, she came on the morning of the first day. Since the Jewish day goes from sundown to sundown, the morning of the first day would be Sunday morning. I would interpret the evening of the first day to be Sunday evening, but I can see how it could be interpreted on Saturday evening as well. I’ll have to consult an expert on Judaism to be sure.

What do you mean the timelines in Hosea don’t match? (I don’t think most people are comfortable with the term “nutcase” when applied to the Biblical prophets, but if we’re going to go there, I think Ezekiel, John the Revelator, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Daniel–as well as Hosea–all have some symbolism that is quite strange for modern readers.)

The day these events landed on are not significant. There is no correlation made anywhere. Also, the Day of Pentecost predates even the birth of Jesus so that one is a stretch.

When John 20:19 mentions it is evening on the first day of the week, is he talking about Saturday evening or Sunday evening? I would interpret this as Saturday evening since the Sabbath ends at Sundown on Saturday.

I’ve long complained that the KJV is terrible. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the Blue Letter Bible, but I love this website for allowing multiple translations. It is pretty obvious to me that Hosea is comparing Israel to a prostitute, who will be stripped naked with all her lovers looking on. Verse 11 in the NLT says, “I will put an end to her annual festivals, her new moon celebrations, and her Sabbath days–all her appointed festivals. “ I interpret this to mean that not only will the Sabbath change, but other festivals like Passover, Rosh Hashanah, Sukkot, and other Jewish Festivals we no longer observe.

The First Christians really didn’t identify themselves as Christians, but were merely another Jewish sect, especially at the beginning. Many important visions seem to have occurred on the 1st day of the week.

Following his death on the cross, Jesus appeared to the disciples (minus Doubting Thomas) in John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.

I think you should check out the Blue Letter Bible. The KJV of 1 Cor 16:2 says tithes are collected on the 1st day of the week, but the NLT version refers to this as the Lord’s Day.

The Day of Pentecost occured on the 1st day. I’ll quote from Wikipedia: “According to Christian tradition, Pentecost is always seven weeks after Easter Sunday; that is to say, 50 days after Easter (inclusive of Easter Day). In other words, it falls on the eighth Sunday, counting Easter Day”

I thought I remembered hearing that Peter’s vision (clean/unclean), and Saul’s vision on the Road to Damascus occurred on the 1st day, but I’m not finding references for that.

I guess NOM or DAMU would best describe me. I have found that the best way not to get an EQ calling is to state that Home Teaching is a waste of time…of course you would have to believe that.