Comments on: Iron Mine Discovery in Peru bolsters Book of Mormon http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/ Stuff they don't talk about in Sunday School Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:23:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-11475 Mormon Heretic Fri, 13 May 2011 05:36:00 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/#comment-11475 James, good to see you again. I wish you well in your beliefs, and hope you continue to serve Christ to the best of your ability. Bishop Rick, James and I tangled about Joseph Smith's polygamy a while back. (He believes Joseph never practiced polygamy, and he has lots of 100 year old affidavits to prove it.) He certainly has great fervor for his beliefs, but I wouldn't waste time debating him. He prefers bearing testimony over science/reason and doesn't let pesky things like facts deter him from his beliefs. It works for him--more power to him. James, good to see you again. I wish you well in your beliefs, and hope you continue to serve Christ to the best of your ability.

Bishop Rick, James and I tangled about Joseph Smith’s polygamy a while back. (He believes Joseph never practiced polygamy, and he has lots of 100 year old affidavits to prove it.) He certainly has great fervor for his beliefs, but I wouldn’t waste time debating him. He prefers bearing testimony over science/reason and doesn’t let pesky things like facts deter him from his beliefs. It works for him–more power to him.

]]> By: Bishop Rick http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-11468 Bishop Rick Fri, 13 May 2011 00:33:36 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/#comment-11468 James, What are you talking about? tiredmormon said nothing about critics laughing. You are grouping all critics into a group that serves Satan and hates truth and Jesus Christ. That's ridiculous. Critics are people that are skeptical. They want proof. If anything, they strive for truth. Faith does not further the cause of truth. It furthers the cause of doctrine. Doctrine doesn't always equate to truth. You seem like someone that is afraid of truth unless it supports your paradigm. James,

What are you talking about? tiredmormon said nothing about critics laughing.
You are grouping all critics into a group that serves Satan and hates truth and Jesus Christ.
That’s ridiculous. Critics are people that are skeptical. They want proof. If anything, they strive for truth.

Faith does not further the cause of truth. It furthers the cause of doctrine. Doctrine doesn’t always equate to truth.

You seem like someone that is afraid of truth unless it supports your paradigm.

]]> By: James Marshall http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-11456 James Marshall Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:37 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/#comment-11456 <a href="#comment-123" rel="nofollow">@tiredmormon </a> Just because the critics laugh, does not make the Book of Mormon less truthful. It means those critics are very bad and very biased researchers who are not into truth, but into their own agendas. Said another way, these men and women are not into Jesus Christ, but they are servants of the enemy, either by ignorance or their own deception, or they willingly work to deceive men, that we might all be lost. Section 43 D&C the " witnesses of the enemy " were in the church 1831. James Brian Marshall Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ. ( I.E. Not the C.O.C. @tiredmormon

Just because the critics laugh, does not make the Book of Mormon less truthful. It means those critics are very bad and very biased researchers who are not into truth, but into their own agendas.

Said another way, these men and women are not into Jesus Christ, but they are servants of the enemy, either by ignorance or their own deception, or they willingly work to deceive men, that we might all be lost.

Section 43 D&C the ” witnesses of the enemy ” were in the church 1831.

James Brian Marshall

Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ. ( I.E. Not the C.O.C.

]]> By: Mormon Heretic » 10 Reasons Why the Book of Mormon Took Place in Peru http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-3740 Mormon Heretic » 10 Reasons Why the Book of Mormon Took Place in Peru Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:27:46 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/#comment-3740 [...] Potter likes Peru. I’ve previously quoted from Potter’s newsletter when he heralded an iron ore discovery and Cohen DNA in Peru. What do you think? Categories: Archeology, Book of Mormon, Geography, [...] [...] Potter likes Peru. I’ve previously quoted from Potter’s newsletter when he heralded an iron ore discovery and Cohen DNA in Peru. What do you think? Categories: Archeology, Book of Mormon, Geography, [...]

]]> By: A South American Setting for Book of Mormon at Mormon Matters http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-2349 A South American Setting for Book of Mormon at Mormon Matters Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:32:30 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/#comment-2349 [...] recently claimed on his website that Hebrew DNA and iron were found here.  However, I believe the Jewish DNA claims could be related to Spanish settlers, [...] [...] recently claimed on his website that Hebrew DNA and iron were found here.  However, I believe the Jewish DNA claims could be related to Spanish settlers, [...]

]]> By: tiredmormon http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-123 tiredmormon Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:48:00 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/#comment-123 An iron mine does nothing for BoM authenticity. Now a smelter, on the other hand, that would be something to talk about. An iron mine does nothing for BoM authenticity. Now a smelter, on the other hand, that would be something to talk about.

]]> By: Allen http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-75 Allen Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:40:50 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/#comment-75 From Science Daily. "The researchers determined that the mine is a human-made cave that was first created around 2,000 years ago. An estimated 3,710 metric tons was extracted from the mine during more than 1,400 years of use. The mine, which is nearly 700 cubic meters, is in a cliffside facing a modern ochre mine." According to Wikipedia, ochre is an iron oxide that has been used as a pigment for thousands of years. I couldn't find any articles that spoke of ochre in the context of making weapons. Maybe someone familiar with metals can comment on this. From Science Daily.

“The researchers determined that the mine is a human-made cave that was first created around 2,000 years ago. An estimated 3,710 metric tons was extracted from the mine during more than 1,400 years of use. The mine, which is nearly 700 cubic meters, is in a cliffside facing a modern ochre mine.”

According to Wikipedia, ochre is an iron oxide that has been used as a pigment for thousands of years. I couldn’t find any articles that spoke of ochre in the context of making weapons. Maybe someone familiar with metals can comment on this.

]]> By: lil http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-72 lil Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:25:05 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/#comment-72 WHEN do they figure this mining took place? 2000 yrs ago? about the time of Christ? WHEN do they figure this mining took place? 2000 yrs ago? about the time of Christ?

]]> By: Allen http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-66 Allen Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:48:22 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/#comment-66 Thanks, MH, for clarifying your choice of words. And, thanks for using "bolsters" instead of "proves". I think there is a significant difference between using iron for paint and foraging iron into weapons. I agree that the discovery of this mine is not only interesting but significant. I reported it in my blog under the label "migration". I chuckled about your comment of finding a sword inscribed with "Laban", although I would hope the sword would be discovered by a non-Mormon. Thanks, MH, for clarifying your choice of words. And, thanks for using “bolsters” instead of “proves”. I think there is a significant difference between using iron for paint and foraging iron into weapons. I agree that the discovery of this mine is not only interesting but significant. I reported it in my blog under the label “migration”.

I chuckled about your comment of finding a sword inscribed with “Laban”, although I would hope the sword would be discovered by a non-Mormon.

]]> By: Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/comment-page-1/#comment-65 Mormon Heretic Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:23:21 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/19/iron-mine-discovery-in-peru-bolsters-book-of-mormon/#comment-65 I tried to be careful in my word choice. I chose "bolsters" rather than "proves" because the discovery certainly doesn't prove anything about the Book of Mormon. With the mining of that iron, there exists a possibility that the metal could have been used in more than just paint. If no mine discovery was made, then critics could continue to say there is no evidence of iron as mentioned in the BOM. This discovery forces them to soften that stance somewhat, because a mine was found. Now, if an iron sword inscribed with "Laban" was found, that would be pretty interesting, and further erode their claims.... But as of yet, we can make no such claim. The mine discovery certainly does not weaken the Book of Mormon, is at least neutral, and could be shown to have a positive affirmation on the authenticity of the BOM. I tried to be careful in my word choice. I chose “bolsters” rather than “proves” because the discovery certainly doesn’t prove anything about the Book of Mormon. With the mining of that iron, there exists a possibility that the metal could have been used in more than just paint.

If no mine discovery was made, then critics could continue to say there is no evidence of iron as mentioned in the BOM. This discovery forces them to soften that stance somewhat, because a mine was found. Now, if an iron sword inscribed with “Laban” was found, that would be pretty interesting, and further erode their claims….

But as of yet, we can make no such claim. The mine discovery certainly does not weaken the Book of Mormon, is at least neutral, and could be shown to have a positive affirmation on the authenticity of the BOM.

]]>