Comments on: Is the Book of Abraham related to Muslim texts? http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/ Stuff they don't talk about in Sunday School Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:06:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-3451 Mormon Heretic Sat, 05 Sep 2009 04:19:31 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-3451 Robert, do you have any web links to these articles? Robert, do you have any web links to these articles?

]]> By: Robert Foster http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-3445 Robert Foster Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:26:52 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-3445 Pseudo-Philo has the story of Abraham in the furnace. Found in eighteen complete texts and three fragmentary texts - excluding the Dead Sea Scrolls and any other recent finds since 1985. An Aprocryphal work ascribed to Philo of Alexandria. Believed to be originally written in Hebrew due to some very distinct Semetic idioms. Translated into the Greek - also due to some untranslated Greek words (As the New Testament likely was) - and found in the Latin text. Was in some of the LXX mss. Translated into the German by John Sichardus at Basel in 1527. Text reprinted by S. Gryphe at Lyon in 1552. Became commonly known as Liber Antiquitatum Biblicarum - or Liber Antiquatatum, for short. Hebrew fragments are preserved in the Chronicles of Jerahmeel. (Bodleian MS Heb. d. 11; 14th C.) L. Cohn wrote - An Apocryphal Work Ascribed to Philo of Alexandria in 1898. There is still debate if this writing was really written by Philo. Abraham in the Furnace was not an new invention by JS. There are other MSS about Abraham that are just now being re-discovered. This is in addition to any possible Jewish oral histories. Pseudo-Philo has the story of Abraham in the furnace. Found in eighteen complete texts and three fragmentary texts – excluding the Dead Sea Scrolls and any other recent finds since 1985. An Aprocryphal work ascribed to Philo of Alexandria. Believed to be originally written in Hebrew due to some very distinct Semetic idioms. Translated into the Greek – also due to some untranslated Greek words (As the New Testament likely was) – and found in the Latin text. Was in some of the LXX mss. Translated into the German by John Sichardus at Basel in 1527. Text reprinted by S. Gryphe at Lyon in 1552. Became commonly known as Liber Antiquitatum Biblicarum – or Liber Antiquatatum, for short. Hebrew fragments are preserved in the Chronicles of Jerahmeel. (Bodleian MS Heb. d. 11; 14th C.)
L. Cohn wrote – An Apocryphal Work Ascribed to Philo of Alexandria in 1898. There is still debate if this writing was really written by Philo. Abraham in the Furnace was not an new invention by JS. There are other MSS about Abraham that are just now being re-discovered. This is in addition to any possible Jewish oral histories.

]]> By: Book of Abraham and Gospel of Judas at Mormon Matters http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-2737 Book of Abraham and Gospel of Judas at Mormon Matters Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:06:59 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-2737 [...] but let me explain.  First of all, I’ve already done a few posts on Abraham.  In the first, I compared the Book of Abraham to the Koran, and wondered if Joseph might have translated an Islamic text, because the story found in the Book [...] [...] but let me explain.  First of all, I’ve already done a few posts on Abraham.  In the first, I compared the Book of Abraham to the Koran, and wondered if Joseph might have translated an Islamic text, because the story found in the Book [...]

]]> By: Mormon Heretic » Blog Archive » Comparing the Book of Abraham and the Gospel of Judas http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-2599 Mormon Heretic » Blog Archive » Comparing the Book of Abraham and the Gospel of Judas Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:19:37 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-2599 [...] but let me explain.  First of all, I’ve already done a few posts on Abraham.  In the first, I compared the Book of Abraham to the Koran, and wondered if Joseph might have translated an Islamic text, because the story found in the Book [...] [...] but let me explain.  First of all, I’ve already done a few posts on Abraham.  In the first, I compared the Book of Abraham to the Koran, and wondered if Joseph might have translated an Islamic text, because the story found in the Book [...]

]]> By: hiram http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-164 hiram Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:13:39 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-164 Proof in the video http://www.irr.org/mit/Book-of-Abraham-page.html Proof in the video

http://www.irr.org/mit/Book-of-Abraham-page.html

]]> By: aaron http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-56 aaron Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:50:57 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-56 Wow! This post is very interesting. It goes along with my recent post on if Mormonism has truths found in all religions. I'm going to add this link to my post for others to view. Check it out here: http://graceforgrace.com/2008/02/15/does-mormonism-cover-truths-from-all-religions/ Wow! This post is very interesting. It goes along with my recent post on if Mormonism has truths found in all religions.

I’m going to add this link to my post for others to view.

Check it out here: http://graceforgrace.com/2008/02/15/does-mormonism-cover-truths-from-all-religions/

]]> By: Does Mormonism Cover truths from all Religions? « Grace for Grace http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-55 Does Mormonism Cover truths from all Religions? « Grace for Grace Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:50:46 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-55 [...] (02-21-08) It’s about a week after I wrote this post, but I just read an interesting blog on how Muslim’s believe that there is part of a Book of Abraham that was lost and it could be similar to the Book of Abraham that Joseph Smith translated that is found in the Pearl of Great Price.  Check out the post here: http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/ [...] [...] (02-21-08) It’s about a week after I wrote this post, but I just read an interesting blog on how Muslim’s believe that there is part of a Book of Abraham that was lost and it could be similar to the Book of Abraham that Joseph Smith translated that is found in the Pearl of Great Price.  Check out the post here: http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/ [...]

]]> By: Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-53 Mormon Heretic Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:06:46 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-53 I've heard that argument before, and let's assume it's true. We know the Gospel of Judas certainly couldn't have been written by Judas, but it does date to at least the 3rd of 4th century because Ireneaus mentions it. The copy we have dates to the 5th or 6th century. While this is certainly not an original text, it is certainly ancient, and corroborates Ireneaus comments. The same could easily apply to the Egyptian papyrus. Even if one were to assume that Joseph fraudulently translated the papyrus, how then, do you explain apparent similarities with muslim texts, or to the Kaballah text that Doc mentions? That's an awfully strange coincidence, don't you think? I’ve heard that argument before, and let’s assume it’s true. We know the Gospel of Judas certainly couldn’t have been written by Judas, but it does date to at least the 3rd of 4th century because Ireneaus mentions it. The copy we have dates to the 5th or 6th century. While this is certainly not an original text, it is certainly ancient, and corroborates Ireneaus comments. The same could easily apply to the Egyptian papyrus.

Even if one were to assume that Joseph fraudulently translated the papyrus, how then, do you explain apparent similarities with muslim texts, or to the Kaballah text that Doc mentions? That’s an awfully strange coincidence, don’t you think?

]]> By: tiredmormon http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-52 tiredmormon Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:23:00 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-52 uh...you know the papyrus that JS used have been found and translated. They do not date to Abraham, or have anything to do with Abraham. How can you possibly overlook that? uh…you know the papyrus that JS used have been found and translated. They do not date to Abraham, or have anything to do with Abraham. How can you possibly overlook that?

]]> By: Doc http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-50 Doc Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:57:06 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-50 Jeff Lindsay has an excellect collection on this subject in anwer to the question, "Do other ancient documents confirm the details in the text of the Book of Abraham?" See the <a href="http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/boa.shtml" rel="nofollow">link here</a> For example the Apocalypse of Abraham - an ancient document dealing with Abraham that was first published in 1897 and was first translated into English the following year by two Latter-day Saints, the Testament of Abraham, an ancient document that one non-LDS scholar describes as "a midrashic account, developed in Egypt from the LXX [Septuagint, or Greek translation], embellished by traditions from the Palestinian Targum, written in Therapeutic circles around the time of Christianity, both of which Hugh Nibley's did an extensive analysis of in his book, Abraham in Egypt. It seems to me pretty clear the text of the Book of Abraham either came from God, or Joseph somehow had one of these sources. Some claim the Kabbalah, but I don't think all the parallels fit and the story is somewhat fanciful. Although probably not any more fanciful than receiving revelation throught the power of God reading Egyptian Papyri. Jeff Lindsay has an excellect collection on this subject in anwer to the question, “Do other ancient documents confirm the details in the text of the Book of Abraham?” See the link here
For example the Apocalypse of Abraham – an ancient document dealing with Abraham that was first published in 1897 and was first translated into English the following year by two Latter-day Saints, the Testament of Abraham, an ancient document that one non-LDS scholar describes as “a midrashic account, developed in Egypt from the LXX [Septuagint, or Greek translation], embellished by traditions from the Palestinian Targum, written in Therapeutic circles around the time of Christianity, both of which Hugh Nibley’s did an extensive analysis of in his book, Abraham in Egypt.

It seems to me pretty clear the text of the Book of Abraham either came from God, or Joseph somehow had one of these sources. Some claim the Kabbalah, but I don’t think all the parallels fit and the story is somewhat fanciful. Although probably not any more fanciful than receiving revelation throught the power of God reading Egyptian Papyri.

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