Comments on: Is the Book of Abraham related to Muslim texts? http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/ Stuff they don't talk about in Sunday School Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:23:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: luna http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-13020 luna Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:33:40 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-13020 <a href="#comment-48" rel="nofollow">@Mormon Heretic </a> Dude...you should check the Quran more deeply and compare...:) @Mormon Heretic
Dude…you should check the Quran more deeply and compare…:)

]]> By: Salamder Drake http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-7528 Salamder Drake Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:43:15 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-7528 Hi, I stumbled upon this thread via an "Abraham in the furnace" search. We just re4ceived a book for our collection called, "Avraham be-khivshan ha-esh : mered be-olam pagani" (i.e., Abraham in the furnace of fire : a rebel in a pagan world) by Vered Tohar. Ramat-Gan : Hotsaat Univeristat Bar-Ilan, 2010. ISBN 9789652266305. Sadly, it's in Hebrew, but still it seems to indicate that there's a whole Jewish homeletical (midrashic) tradition in this vein, Psuedo-Philo bedanged. Hi, I stumbled upon this thread via an “Abraham in the furnace” search. We just re4ceived a book for our collection called, “Avraham be-khivshan ha-esh : mered be-olam pagani” (i.e., Abraham in the furnace of fire : a rebel in a pagan world) by Vered Tohar. Ramat-Gan : Hotsaat Univeristat Bar-Ilan, 2010. ISBN 9789652266305. Sadly, it’s in Hebrew, but still it seems to indicate that there’s a whole Jewish homeletical (midrashic) tradition in this vein, Psuedo-Philo bedanged.

]]> By: Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-3451 Mormon Heretic Sat, 05 Sep 2009 04:19:31 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-3451 Robert, do you have any web links to these articles? Robert, do you have any web links to these articles?

]]> By: Robert Foster http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-3445 Robert Foster Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:26:52 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-3445 Pseudo-Philo has the story of Abraham in the furnace. Found in eighteen complete texts and three fragmentary texts - excluding the Dead Sea Scrolls and any other recent finds since 1985. An Aprocryphal work ascribed to Philo of Alexandria. Believed to be originally written in Hebrew due to some very distinct Semetic idioms. Translated into the Greek - also due to some untranslated Greek words (As the New Testament likely was) - and found in the Latin text. Was in some of the LXX mss. Translated into the German by John Sichardus at Basel in 1527. Text reprinted by S. Gryphe at Lyon in 1552. Became commonly known as Liber Antiquitatum Biblicarum - or Liber Antiquatatum, for short. Hebrew fragments are preserved in the Chronicles of Jerahmeel. (Bodleian MS Heb. d. 11; 14th C.) L. Cohn wrote - An Apocryphal Work Ascribed to Philo of Alexandria in 1898. There is still debate if this writing was really written by Philo. Abraham in the Furnace was not an new invention by JS. There are other MSS about Abraham that are just now being re-discovered. This is in addition to any possible Jewish oral histories. Pseudo-Philo has the story of Abraham in the furnace. Found in eighteen complete texts and three fragmentary texts – excluding the Dead Sea Scrolls and any other recent finds since 1985. An Aprocryphal work ascribed to Philo of Alexandria. Believed to be originally written in Hebrew due to some very distinct Semetic idioms. Translated into the Greek – also due to some untranslated Greek words (As the New Testament likely was) – and found in the Latin text. Was in some of the LXX mss. Translated into the German by John Sichardus at Basel in 1527. Text reprinted by S. Gryphe at Lyon in 1552. Became commonly known as Liber Antiquitatum Biblicarum – or Liber Antiquatatum, for short. Hebrew fragments are preserved in the Chronicles of Jerahmeel. (Bodleian MS Heb. d. 11; 14th C.)
L. Cohn wrote – An Apocryphal Work Ascribed to Philo of Alexandria in 1898. There is still debate if this writing was really written by Philo. Abraham in the Furnace was not an new invention by JS. There are other MSS about Abraham that are just now being re-discovered. This is in addition to any possible Jewish oral histories.

]]> By: Book of Abraham and Gospel of Judas at Mormon Matters http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-2737 Book of Abraham and Gospel of Judas at Mormon Matters Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:06:59 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-2737 [...] but let me explain.  First of all, I’ve already done a few posts on Abraham.  In the first, I compared the Book of Abraham to the Koran, and wondered if Joseph might have translated an Islamic text, because the story found in the Book [...] [...] but let me explain.  First of all, I’ve already done a few posts on Abraham.  In the first, I compared the Book of Abraham to the Koran, and wondered if Joseph might have translated an Islamic text, because the story found in the Book [...]

]]> By: Mormon Heretic » Blog Archive » Comparing the Book of Abraham and the Gospel of Judas http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-2599 Mormon Heretic » Blog Archive » Comparing the Book of Abraham and the Gospel of Judas Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:19:37 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-2599 [...] but let me explain.  First of all, I’ve already done a few posts on Abraham.  In the first, I compared the Book of Abraham to the Koran, and wondered if Joseph might have translated an Islamic text, because the story found in the Book [...] [...] but let me explain.  First of all, I’ve already done a few posts on Abraham.  In the first, I compared the Book of Abraham to the Koran, and wondered if Joseph might have translated an Islamic text, because the story found in the Book [...]

]]> By: hiram http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-164 hiram Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:13:39 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-164 Proof in the video http://www.irr.org/mit/Book-of-Abraham-page.html Proof in the video

http://www.irr.org/mit/Book-of-Abraham-page.html

]]> By: aaron http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-56 aaron Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:50:57 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-56 Wow! This post is very interesting. It goes along with my recent post on if Mormonism has truths found in all religions. I'm going to add this link to my post for others to view. Check it out here: http://graceforgrace.com/2008/02/15/does-mormonism-cover-truths-from-all-religions/ Wow! This post is very interesting. It goes along with my recent post on if Mormonism has truths found in all religions.

I’m going to add this link to my post for others to view.

Check it out here: http://graceforgrace.com/2008/02/15/does-mormonism-cover-truths-from-all-religions/

]]> By: Does Mormonism Cover truths from all Religions? « Grace for Grace http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-55 Does Mormonism Cover truths from all Religions? « Grace for Grace Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:50:46 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-55 [...] (02-21-08) It’s about a week after I wrote this post, but I just read an interesting blog on how Muslim’s believe that there is part of a Book of Abraham that was lost and it could be similar to the Book of Abraham that Joseph Smith translated that is found in the Pearl of Great Price.  Check out the post here: http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/ [...] [...] (02-21-08) It’s about a week after I wrote this post, but I just read an interesting blog on how Muslim’s believe that there is part of a Book of Abraham that was lost and it could be similar to the Book of Abraham that Joseph Smith translated that is found in the Pearl of Great Price.  Check out the post here: http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/ [...]

]]> By: Mormon Heretic http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/comment-page-1/#comment-53 Mormon Heretic Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:06:46 +0000 http://www.mormonheretic.org/2008/02/16/is-the-book-of-abraham-related-to-muslim-texts/#comment-53 I've heard that argument before, and let's assume it's true. We know the Gospel of Judas certainly couldn't have been written by Judas, but it does date to at least the 3rd of 4th century because Ireneaus mentions it. The copy we have dates to the 5th or 6th century. While this is certainly not an original text, it is certainly ancient, and corroborates Ireneaus comments. The same could easily apply to the Egyptian papyrus. Even if one were to assume that Joseph fraudulently translated the papyrus, how then, do you explain apparent similarities with muslim texts, or to the Kaballah text that Doc mentions? That's an awfully strange coincidence, don't you think? I’ve heard that argument before, and let’s assume it’s true. We know the Gospel of Judas certainly couldn’t have been written by Judas, but it does date to at least the 3rd of 4th century because Ireneaus mentions it. The copy we have dates to the 5th or 6th century. While this is certainly not an original text, it is certainly ancient, and corroborates Ireneaus comments. The same could easily apply to the Egyptian papyrus.

Even if one were to assume that Joseph fraudulently translated the papyrus, how then, do you explain apparent similarities with muslim texts, or to the Kaballah text that Doc mentions? That’s an awfully strange coincidence, don’t you think?

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