Comments on: Similarites between Papal Infallibility and Mormon Prophetic Infallibility

By: Trading Polygamy for Statehood at Mormon Matters

Trading Polygamy for Statehood at Mormon Matters — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:01:32 +0000

[...] details can be found here.) I talked about the Manifesto previously in the context of whether the prophet would ever lead the church astray. It should be noted that the church had been fighting federal anti-polygamy legislation for [...]

By: Mormon Heretic » The Anti-Polygamy Raids

Mormon Heretic » The Anti-Polygamy Raids — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:47:19 +0000

[...] details leading up to the Manifesto. I talked about the Manifesto previously in the context of whether the prophet would ever lead the church astray. It should be noted that the church had been fighting anti-polygamy legislation for nearly 30 [...]

By: MH

MH — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:48:17 +0000

Tara, thanks for that link. It’s a shame that it wasn’t caught sooner, but I’m glad to hear Pres Smith refute it.

By: Tara

Tara — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:44:50 +0000

MH,

Here’s a link to information about the quote in #13 which you suspected was false. Well, it isn’t false, but it wasn’t an official statement and George Albert Smith wrote a letter clarifying the church’s official position with regard to that statement:

http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/When_the_Prophet_Speaks_is_the_Thinking_Done.html

By: My Perspective on Polygamy at Mormon Matters

My Perspective on Polygamy at Mormon Matters — Sun, 17 May 2009 18:24:22 +0000

[...] but I have a more complex view of prophets. I think they can make errors, even in revelation. I don’t believe a prophet is infallible. I believe that when we look at Biblical prophets, we find errors in revelation, bad conduct, and [...]

By: Mormon Heretic » Blog Archive » My Perspective on Polygamy

Mormon Heretic » Blog Archive » My Perspective on Polygamy — Sun, 17 May 2009 18:15:58 +0000

By: mormon heretic

mormon heretic — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 05:41:13 +0000

I found a really interesting post at Mormon Matters on this subject. Check it out at http://mormonmatters.org/2008/12/30/never-lead-us-astray-and-dissonance/

By: MH

MH — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:24:25 +0000

Patrick, well said. I couldn’t agree more.

The faithful will not like your advice to “listen to scholars.” After all, man’s wisdom is constantly changing. I remember using the idea that man doesn’t know everything–one need look at the perception that the world was flat. (Of course, most of the religious folks thought it was flat at that time too, but that point gets conveniently misplaced.)

By: patrick

patrick — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:48:33 +0000

The main problem with infallibility doctrines is that they inevitably get abused. Popes of renown , as more honest scholars have clearly uncovered, used or denounced the doctrine as it suited their own selfish ends. For those who have not checked their brains in at the door, and are not in slavish bondage to a peculiar religious group – such as Roman Catholicism – acknowledge where matters of faith and dogma have been in error with scripture and science, especially when Popes, or other prophets, have spoken ex cathedra. But of course the tangled web of excuses, deceptions, threats, and hokey explanations are perennially spun by the leadership to keep their members quelled and in line. The wise see it and get out, the rest go on and become victims, just as the poor souls who trusted in Jim Jones. Lies are lies, no matter where they come from, and they all have the same end result.

I would encourage all who trust in, or are struggling with, infallibility doctrines to: 1) listen to what other scholars and persons of faith have to say about the dangers of it. As a matter of practice always be vigilant to hear why others disagree with any controversial doctrine. 2) Don’t let religious leaders intimidate you with threats. Remember this is the tactic the Pharisees used as a means to keep people from hearing Jesus or believing in the Gospel. They claimed to be speaking ex cathedra 3) Spend time alone with the Lord and the Scriptures. Is it too hard to conceive that He will guide you directly by His Spirit and Word?

“Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free…” Gal. 5:1

By: Was Priesthood Ban Inspired? — Mormon Heretic

Was Priesthood Ban Inspired? — Mormon Heretic — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:03:28 +0000

[...] has a great quote on prophetic infallibility. Incidentally, I’ve already blogged on this topic earlier. “We don’t believe in the infallibility of prophets. We think that Brigham Young did some [...]